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03-06-2010, 11:35 PM
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Shallow Spool?
Hi there,
I was wondering what is the advantage of Shallow Spool to replace the original?Does it make any better performance? Cheers. 
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04-06-2010, 12:14 AM
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I just figured they have reduced the line capacity to match up with thinner diameter braids... no ones needs 300m of braid for breaming and it saves using backing.
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04-06-2010, 12:16 AM
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In spinning reel the shallow spools are lighter, contain less line and have less drag (usually) than the full depth model of the same size. EG: New Daiwa Certate 2500 weighs 245 grams and has 7 kg of drag New Daiwa Certate 2506 weighs 230 grams and has 3 kg of drag So why get the 2506 when you get more with the 2500? it is more of a "should I get the 2506 or the 2000?" question in my opinion. 2000 weighs 230 grams and has 4kg of drag. The reel should more line than a 2506 but all but 150m of that will most likely be backing. If you are using line of a breaking strain less than 20lb then the drag probably wont come into it either. casting distance will be greater from the 2506 and you will also retreive more line per each turn of the handle. HTH and others please add to this. I know I have missed heaps of differences
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04-06-2010, 01:55 AM
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Shallow Spools
I have a couple of thoughts on it, possibly wrong but open to constructive criticism of my post if I am.
1. Less line needed to fill the spool to the lip, in most cases the backing is just additional weight that will very rarely get used, and additional cost. 2. Better casting ability with say a 2506 spool size verus say a 1000 spool size, but probably roughly the same weight. 3. Lighter weight on the sppol means less inertia and therefore less effort to turn. With the finesse drags and lighter spool the drag should kick in almost immediately the drag setting is exceeded by the force of weight on the line - ie no lag between a hard hit and drag activating. 4. As a 'finesse only' upgrade the drag can be made to have a lower maximum rating but with a far more sensitive range of adjustment. Regards, Dave
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04-06-2010, 08:12 PM
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I'm really keen to know if that is the answer because I've just bought a Certate 2004 because all the Certate 2000's were out of stock, and I'm not sure if I've made the right decision!
Increased drag sensitivity doesn't sound like enough reason to produce an entirely different range of spools. Particularly as the drag sensitivity isn't mentioned on any of the reel statistics. Do you mean adjustability of the drag (e.g. sensitivity of the adjustment as you turn the drag adjuster) or sensitivity as in not having inertia/lag when a fish strikes the lure? (see point 3 two posts above)
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04-06-2010, 09:04 PM
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Silver,
In my opinion it is both. If you have the same amount of adjustment in the drag adjustment knob available (ie three full turns turns say from locked up to no drag at all), but only half the amount of maximum drag available say 2Kg finesse spool max vs 4Kg non finesse spool drag max, the drag is easier to set exactly to a precise setting. ie for each click of the drag adjustment knob you are only increasing the actual drag setting by half the amount of a non finessse drag. A lighter spool is easier to start to turn on the reel due to less inertia, therefore when the drag is activated it will react quicker than a heavier spool which needs to overcome more inertia to start turning initially (this is what I referred to as the 'lag'). The finesse spools are lighter, but also hold less line to fill it correctly which makes them lighter still than a standard non finesse filled spool. I hope this makes some sense, it seems to hold true on my reels when I compare the finesse spools with the standard ones that reels like my Certate was supplied with. Regards, Dave
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04-06-2010, 09:21 PM
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definately more incremental drag settings and save a bit on weight...
theres no need for the extra capacity if your chasing estuary species either... and baitcaster wise no need for the extra line capacity in most situations and the lighter spools mean you can cast the lighter lures with ease ie:-less inertia needed to get them spinning
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04-06-2010, 10:05 PM
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ok, thanks for the responses - but if its the second type of drag sensitivity that you are referring to, the weight of the spool is probably going to be less important than the fact that a shallower spool is going to have less resistance due to the greater leverage that line pulled from the edge of the spool has compared to line dragged from the centre of the spool - this is simply an matter of leverage, the same principles as apply to gears.
But in terms of sensitivity, the same increase in sensitivity of the drag adjustment knob could be acheived simply by adjusting the thread on that scew - ie a finer thread would increase sensitivity. So I'm not sure that a finer drag adjustment is why they would have a separate model with a shallower spool. Particular given the short fights against Bream mean it isn't normally necessary to adjust the drag while you have a fish on. So I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just still not sure if this is all the reasons for the two choices of spool depth.
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06-06-2010, 08:14 PM
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They also want to sell more reels so clever marketing makes guys like me feel like they are missing something by not having a finesse reel. That being said I agree that estuary species are not going to have you down to backing on any of the finesse spools (including the 1003). Personally I don't see the advantage of non finesse reels.
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06-06-2010, 09:28 PM
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Non Finesse can be used to chase some pretty big fish offshore and the line capacity comes into play. When we are chasing Club points at our game fishing club we use these style reel for our 1kg and 2kg line class. The finesse is good for 1kg as you have to have very accurate drag settings and non finesse is good for 2kg in smaller reels. Chasing fish off the shore in Exmouth and Shark Bay you want all the line capacity possible as there can some pretty big shadows in close. It all comes down to your needs etc.
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