certate or twinpower

[macca64]

After a new reel in a 2500 size for bass was wondering the pros and cons of the certate and twinpower are. tia

[Breamingwithjoy]

Originally Posted by macca64

After a new reel in a 2500 size for bass was wondering the pros and cons of the certate and twinpower are. tia

I'd choose a certate because it's what I am familiar with but either will be more than up for the task.

No reel pro's or con's at this level of gear. It would come down to what you like the feel of on your rod and what you are used to. If you've used Shimano previously, stick with that. Same for Daiwa.

[piketronic]

TP 2500S.
+spool and knob runs on bearings,unlike Cert.
+folding handle
+serviceable by user
+ Shimano warranty and service 200%better than Daiwa
+it's cheaper
The only problem with new TP is the ugliness of it's body.

[freshwater.adam]

I'd personally go a certate as I'm a daiwa man but on paper the twin power is a pretty spot on bass reel with 4kg drag and a shallow spool. Both weigh roughly the same and both feel damn good in the hand.

[gsenaeef67]

Twinpower is more robust and longer lasting but uninspiring. Also has the smoother drag as the rotor flexes less than the certate at high pressures (Al vs zaion). Certate is a nicer reel aesthetically and possibly (don't have comparable sizes of both reels) lighter in the free spin rotation (without weight on).

Smoothness depends who you ask but I'd give it to the TP for lesser gear feel.

P.S. This is the 2015 Twinpower vs 2016 Certate.

[laddercat]

Originally Posted by gsenaeef67

Twinpower is more robust and longer lasting but uninspiring. Also has the smoother drag as the rotor flexes less than the certate at high pressures (Al vs zaion). Certate is a nicer reel aesthetically and possibly (don't have comparable sizes of both reels) lighter in the free spin rotation (without weight on).

Smoothness depends who you ask but I'd give it to the TP for lesser gear feel.

P.S. This is the 2015 Twinpower vs 2016 Certate.

I know this all comes down to taste and opinion in the very high end but......

If your bass reel either certate or twinpower has that much pressure put on it that its getting rotor flex..... You are catching genetically modified bass. With laser beams on their head.

Rotor rigidity will have zero bearing on reel smoothness in the size class reel and fish target. Secondly you can subjectively say "twinpower is more smooth" sure thats an opinion. Just like Alan hawk was quoted in his latest blog as saying "The 2016 Certate. Has to be one of the smoothest and most free-spinning reels EVER MADE.".

As for longer lasting.... hmmm at this price point i would say reel life span depends on the fisherman and their commitment to reel maintenance.

[Slazmo]

Just keep in mind that the new Tate has two magseal drive bearings that are $50 each to replace 😯

Fishing for bass and with a higher end reel is going to be overkill... unless said lazer adorned 50cm CQB creek model makes a showing and your fishing 6lb.

[sevric]

I have both these reels, 2 of each in the 3000 size Shimano TP and 2500 Certate (13 model). We use these reels for flicking large plastics at Large Flathead and small Jew in deeper water. Both have proved good reels however I always seem to pick up the Daiwa certate 2500 first. I find the Certate has a smoother and more solid feel to it. The Twinpower 3000 both have had the line roller replaced despite it supposed to being maintenance free. Shimano advise that the Twinpower has to be returned to their service points for servicing both line roller and any internals due to the "special" waterproofing coatings on the parts. The Twinpower has proved to be pretty reliable and solid but not in the same class as the Certate which has not had anything done to them other than regular washing and basic lubrication of handles and bail arms. I am not brand sensitive in any way having many reels from both the major players but for catching Bass my choice would be the Certate.

[piketronic]

[QUOTE=Slazmo;681496]Just keep in mind that the new Tate has two magseal drive bearings that are $50 each to replace 😯

Aren't they supposed to last forever?

[kolp]

Originally Posted by piketronic

TP 2500S.
+spool and knob runs on bearings,unlike Cert.

The Certate has a bearing in the rotor nut for the 'floating shaft' feature. This bearing reduces friction between the shaft and the pinion when cranking under load. Much more important than bearings in the handle and spool IMO. Handle and spool bearings can be easily upgraded at a later stage. The rotor nut bearing cannot be added to the TP as the rotor nut is not designed to accomodate a bearing. No Shimano reel below the Stella has the bearing in the rotor nut.

[kolp]

Even the new Vanquish lacks this bearing.

[Bronco T]

You also have the option of replacing the Mag seal bearings with normal bearings if they should ever where out.

[piketronic]

Originally Posted by kolp

Even the new Vanquish lacks this bearing.

Really? See the part RD17511

http://dunphysports.com/forms/warran...ic/TP2500S.pdf

[kolp]

Originally Posted by piketronic

Really? See the part RD17511

http://dunphysports.com/forms/warran...ic/TP2500S.pdf

The third photo I posted is from a Vanquish. Look at the rotor nut 17544. No recess to accomodate a bearing. 17511 is a rubber seal (which is being held by the tweezers in the photo) which has been mislabelled in the schematic (or poorly translated. In that schematic you posted all other ball bearings are named "BALL bearings". Not "bearing water proof"). Even the diagram for 17511 represents the black seal as shown in the photo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxIktb-crXM

Watch and see for yourself. NO recess in the rotor nut for a bearing.

[piketronic]

poor translation,for sure.