Saltist Nero? big fish reel help.

[Witha]

G'day guys, so in the market for a big fish reel, primary uses will be throwing big ass lures and possibly baiting. Spinning metals etc as well. Running 30 lb ygk or similar. looking for something that will stop a king but still cast. budget about 250 max as it will get beach and rock duty too. Was thinking a stradic fj in 5 or 6k, but saw the new saltist Nero and it's about 190/200 and the 4500 high gear model seems to fit the bill. Any other ideas or feedback on these choices?
Thanks guys
Witha

[luke4220]

Haven't seen or used the nero.. but used the old model... it's heavy duty and built to with stand DohDohDohDoh you can throw at it.... The 4500 spool is deep and retrieve ratio is fast..But very heavy in the hand....definantly put it on the rod before purchase. I know we won't be finger tip balancing a surf /rock combo but defiantly work a look in

. I have yet to see one fully brake...

[Witha]

Thanks mate, I'll have to go check out the weighting I knew they were quite heavy. Good to know they're built on a tough principle hope the new ones stand the hurt

[laddercat]

Originally Posted by Witha

Thanks mate, I'll have to go check out the weighting I knew they were quite heavy. Good to know they're built on a tough principle hope the new ones stand the hurt

Saltist Nero is a dedicated offshore reel or Land based game.

If you are fishing inshore reef and only spinning school kings and medium pelagics i would not get a nero. I will explain why.

Benefits of a nero when compared to a 4000 reel:
Metal rigid body
Huge line capacity
10kg drag

Downsides when compared to a 4000 reel:
Far heavier
No mag seal
Fewer bearings
Not as smooth
only 2 more kg of drag for a huge jump in weight

A 4000 size 2015 Procyon/Ballistic if sourced from e-b-a-y will set you back under 200 dollars. It carrys heaps more of Daiwas latest technology more bearings and still puts out 8kg of drag.
Remember 8kg of stand up drag combined with leverage the rod adds and a fish going the other way is alot of force on the angler. In waters south of brisbane Hoodlum BIG kings are really the only fish that may require this kind of drag to stop them from rubbing you off.

Longtail,Spanish and the other small tunas are clean fighters and have hard mouths which require weaker subtle drag settings.

Th exception to this is yellowfin and Bluefin however thats a whole other setup in terms of tackle.

THe last and final reel i could reccomend from the Daiwa stable would be the Daiwa Vadel which is a new 2015 JDM reel which i have not used so i cannot vouch for its quality. Judging by its specs and blurb on the daiwa japan website. Its a dedicated spin/jig reel similar to the blast. Heavier then a procyon/ballistic because of its different heavier metal construction, but a couple less bearings ( not sure from where the bearings come ). Compared to the nero it carries a couple more technologies including mag seal.
http://digitaka.com/list.php?icid=252

Remember a 4000 fits 250m of pe3 thats 50lb line if you buy 8 strand braid. ot 37.5lb over 300m. These line classes are plenty heavy enough even overkill.

TLR get a 4000

[bluelipbenny]

Nothing wrong with the nero sold a fair few to customers that fish hard so far only good comments from them.Mate come into work ill show you the nero and a few other reels that may suit.forget worring about all specs alot of it is good marketing.

[Witha]

Originally Posted by laddercat

Saltist Nero is a dedicated offshore reel or Land based game.

If you are fishing inshore reef and only spinning school kings and medium pelagics i would not get a nero. I will explain why.



TLR get a 4000

Thanks for the reply mate, I'll have a look into some more options. ive got two holes in my stable so a 4k medium would fit one. Cheers

[Witha]

Originally Posted by bluelipbenny

Nothing wrong with the nero sold a fair few to customers that fish hard so far only good comments from them.Mate come into work ill show you the nero and a few other reels that may suit.forget worring about all specs alot of it is good marketing.

Cheers Benny I'll have to head into store next week and have a look at some options

[mazman]

I'm looking at getting a reel for similar use. The saltist nero 4500H is quoted to be 545g and the 4000h 560g. I asked the guys at mo tackle to weigh them for me which they did so a big shout out to them and the 4500h weighed 550g and the 4000h 562g. If i was going to get a saltist nero it would be a 4500h but i'm probably going to save some coin and wait a bit and get a deal on a biomaster swa 8000hg or 10000hg.

Cheers Alex

[laddercat]

Originally Posted by mazman

I'm looking at getting a reel for similar use. The saltist nero 4500H is quoted to be 545g and the 4000h 560g. I asked the guys at mo tackle to weigh them for me which they did so a big shout out to them and the 4500h weighed 550g and the 4000h 562g. If i was going to get a saltist nero it would be a 4500h but i'm probably going to save some coin and wait a bit and get a deal on a biomaster swa 8000hg or 10000hg.

Cheers Alex

the saltist nero 4000h is a different class of reel to Daiwas light stable 4000 reels. The main body is metal rather then zaion ( daiwas carbon fibre tech ).

For example the the ballistic 4000 comes in at 150gm lighter. You can argue and say well the Zaion will flex or wear under the higher strain of heavier line and fish when compared to the full metal design of a nero.

Personally i have never heard of this happening and seriously doubt it.
To me reel specs weight and functionality are very important in my buying process. Sure after your wrists drop off because reel is too heavy and dosent match your rod you can still skull drag a medium pelagic with your saltist nero. But where is the fun in that ?

To give you a shimano parallel take note of the amount of fishing hosts and article contributors using Stella 5000's to chase medium and large pelagics.

You just dont need these massive reels save them for BIG tropical species or deep water jigging where you need spool capacity.

[Witha]

Originally Posted by laddercat

the saltist nero 4000h is a different class of reel to Daiwas light stable 4000 reels. The main body is metal rather then zaion ( daiwas carbon fibre tech ).

For example the the ballistic 4000 comes in at 150gm lighter. You can argue and say well the Zaion will flex or wear under the higher strain of heavier line and fish when compared to the full metal design of a nero.

Personally i have never heard of this happening and seriously doubt it.
To me reel specs weight and functionality are very important in my buying process. Sure after your wrists drop off because reel is too heavy and dosent match your rod you can still skull drag a medium pelagic with your saltist nero. But where is the fun in that ?

To give you a shimano parallel take note of the amount of fishing hosts and article contributors using Stella 5000's to chase medium and large pelagics.

You just dont need these massive reels save them for BIG tropical species or deep water jigging where you need spool capacity.

Your point is definitely valid mate. Fatigue is a big issue in motivation to keep spinning haha. Any ideas from the shimano stable?

[laddercat]

Biomaster 5000 if you buy from japan you will save yourself a pretty penny aswell.

Has been one of the best value shimano reels on the market for a while now cant go wrong.

Plat Digitaka Jpangler all reliable retailers.

[mazman]

Have a look at morning tide fishing (note some may not like their rock safety etc.) the gear they use is a good indication of what to use. I'm looking at getting a demonblood 962H matched with the above reel, one of their friends actually has this combo (didn't know this before i picked the combo) and said it balances nicely and is in noway over kill. This is for LBG not sure what you will be doing though.

[laddercat]

Originally Posted by mazman

Have a look at morning tide fishing (note some may not like their rock safety etc.) the gear they use is a good indication of what to use. I'm looking at getting a demonblood 962H matched with the above reel, one of their friends actually has this combo (didn't know this before i picked the combo) and said it balances nicely and is in noway over kill. This is for LBG not sure what you will be doing though.

as i stated in the first line of my initial reply the nero IS A OFFSHORE OR LBG REEL.

As i understood it witha is not predominantly land based.

[mazman]

that's why i pointed out that it was for LB as i can't find whether he is or not. if your after something smaller the vadel 4000h looks good too

[Witha]

Originally Posted by laddercat

as i stated in the first line of my initial reply the nero IS A OFFSHORE OR LBG REEL.

As i understood it witha is not predominantly land based.

Sorry if it came across otherwise mate but I'm landbased or kayak. So having something slightly lighter helps with yak duty.
Always eyed off the biomaster think I'll have another look. Love my luvias and certate but shimano servicing is so much cheaper and straight forward for a hard used reel