2014 Daiwa New Tech - Mag Sealed BB

The Doctor · #1 31-01-2014, 07:38 AM

http://daiwa-fishingshow.globeride.j...led/index.html

I can't open the page yet - I'm interested to see what do they mean by Mag Sealed Ball Bearing. Hopefully not just it is normal sealed BB with mag oil added...

nagz · #2 31-01-2014, 07:43 AM

Mag sealed bearings lol DohDohDohDoh that

Should be just as easy to change to bocas

I think thats going a bit far with mag seal.

Kinda prevents the user from correctly lubing their gear. And they cant say it wont require user maintenance

Sounds like the next step of the mag seal maintenance monopoly

The Doctor · #3 31-01-2014, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by nagz

Mag sealed bearings lol DohDohDohDoh that

Should be just as easy to change to bocas

I think thats going a bit far with mag seal.

Kinda prevents the user from correctly lubing their gear. And they cant say it wont require user maintenance

Sounds like the next step of the mag seal maintenance monopoly

I can't help to think this way also.

nagz · #4 31-01-2014, 07:56 AM

Yep, nice looking gear, though buyer beware

Makes me think of those lotto winners who buy a lambo and cant afford the servicing lol

The Doctor · #5 31-01-2014, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by nagz

Yep, nice looking gear, though buyer beware

Makes me think of those lotto winners who buy a lambo and cant afford the servicing lol

Hahaha, well said Nagz. Wouldn't that be awkward.

Apache · #6 07-02-2014, 01:24 AM

This is great, really, I'm not being sarcastic. Magseal has been the best thing daiwa did in regards to protecting the internals. Been using the exist for almost 2 years and its as good if not better now than the day I bought it. With the use of Magshield bearings this it make internal longevity would be unbeatable.

I realise some ppl hear aren't fans of magseal cos they believe they cant service it themselves. This is false, you can still service magseal reel the same way you service a normal reels.

kakaryan · #7 07-02-2014, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Apache

This is great, really, I'm not being sarcastic. Magseal has been the best thing daiwa did in regards to protecting the internals. Been using the exist for almost 2 years and its as good if not better now than the day I bought it. With the use of Magshield bearings this it make internal longevity would be unbeatable.

I realise some ppl hear aren't fans of magseal cos they believe they cant service it themselves. This is false, you can still service magseal reel the same way you service a normal reels.

How? Did u manage to buy the mag oil yourself? And how often does a mag seal reel need service?

I am thinking the same and it seems that this new mag seal bearing feature would be better than the previous mag seal design. Cos if I wanna get rid of it in the future, I could simply replace them with normal bearings.

Apache · #8 07-02-2014, 05:46 AM

If you are careful to dissemble the whole clutch unit as a whole your wont disrupt the magoil at all, I've highlighted the unit in red.

If this cant be done, then proceed to carefully take the magnet assembly no48 (this contains the magoil that bonds to the clutch sleave no 55) off the cap no 53. You can retain most of magoil to reseal this way.

You dont need the magoil for the reel to function smoothly, it's function is as a waterproof barrier for the internals. If you somehow stuff up and loose too much magoil, send me the magnet assembly and I'll top up it for you.

I've never serviced a reel I've owned from new myself. I take exceptional care of my reels. I do service reels for BM members or on 2nd hand reel's I've purchased for myself or my mates.

nagz · #9 07-02-2014, 05:59 AM

Have you serviced a magseal reel?

If so, thats awesome !!!

Do you reckon you might be able to put up a little how to on the reel maintenance info thread, apache?

Apache · #10 07-02-2014, 06:18 AM

How did I start?? I bought a certate 2nd hand that was really cheap but a really rough (lesson- there's always a reason why things are cheap!!), I wasn't happy with it. But rather than send it to Daiwa, I serviced it myself. I've serviced the older models a lot before so I figured it shouldn't be that different except for the magnet assembly area. I had nothing to lose, the reel only cost me $200 last May. Serviced it and made it run a lot smoother, replaced a few bearings and it now my yak reel.

I've pulled apart and fixed up a few BM members reels: one dunked certate and one grindy certate due to a broken oscillation gear, I'm told it was dropped on the ground. It's actually not that difficult, it's basically the same as the older models except for the magnet assembly and a few different gears and bearings.

I'll document it next time I have something to service. Not people are game enough to send their magseal reels to anywhere but daiwa so it might be a long wait

The Doctor · #11 07-02-2014, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Apache

If you are careful to dissemble the whole clutch unit as a whole your wont disrupt the magoil at all, I've highlighted the unit in red.

If this cant be done, then proceed to carefully take the magnet assembly no48 (this contains the magoil that bonds to the clutch sleave no 55) off the cap no 53. You can retain most of magoil to reseal this way.

You dont need the magoil for the reel to function smoothly, it's function is as a waterproof barrier for the internals. If you somehow stuff up and loose too much magoil, send me the magnet assembly and I'll top up it for you.

I've never serviced a reel I've owned from new myself. I take exceptional care of my reels. I do service reels for BM members or on 2nd hand reel's I've purchased for myself or my mates.

Excellent!!!

But where did you get your mag oil from if you don't mind I ask.

Apache · #12 07-02-2014, 06:50 PM

I've source d it from a family member who fixes up hi-fi audio equipment & speakers. Magnetic oil is used to seal the components in tweeters so if its good for high end speakers, its more than good for reels.

Magilla · #13 07-02-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Apache

I've source d it from a family member who fixes up hi-fi audio equipment & speakers. Magnetic oil is used to seal the components in tweeters so if its good for high end speakers, its more than good for reels.

I contacted the manufacturers of ferrofluid used in speakers as well as ferrofluid used in other applications and all said it was not suitable for reels. They gave different reasons, some said their fluid would evaporate over time and some said it would be corrosive to the metal. All advised me not to use it. Obviously Daiwa said the same thing but I thought I would contact the manufacturers anyway. When I pulled apart my Caldia which had been submerged the mag oil was still in place.

I am surprised that Daiwa is allowed to withhold their magoil from public sale, to seems to me to be a breach of fair trading laws as it forces consumers to use Daiwa service centers to service there reels. I doubt they will change their practices unless forced to do so, the financial gains are too high.

Apache · #14 07-02-2014, 11:44 PM

I dont believe speaker ferrofluid is corrosive to metals in reels. It seals metals and alloys in speakers which are way more sensitive to corrosion and damage than reels.
Dont be too precious with reels, its not that high tech.
The corrosion from salt intrusion will FAR outweigh the "maybe" corrosion from non daiwa ferrofluid.

In terms of being submerged, it has no effect on the ferrofluid in the magnet assembly. Only wiping it off or being distorted by very strong and direct magnetic field will wrench the ferrofluid out from where it is.

Magseal reels are only watetproof from the top where the magnet assembly meets the clutch sleeve. Water and dirt will still enter your reel easily through the sides where you screw on the handle and cap and also the bottom plate and the bottom of the rotor body

nereus · #15 08-02-2014, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Apache

Magseal reels are only watetproof from the top where the magnet assembly meets the clutch sleeve. Water and dirt will still enter your reel easily through the sides where you screw on the handle and cap and also the bottom plate and the bottom of the rotor body

Very true,you should of seen the internals of a couple of brand new, Saltigas down at my local for repairs rust everywhere and the bearing were finished,the saddest part is when the parts did turn up they fitted but were inferior and from different reels.
cheers nereus