Daiwa bail trip?

[matt jorg]

I'm dabbling in the idea of some daiwa reels, I just picked up a caldia it is a nice smooth reel but the bail trip mechanism is a major let down.
Shimano has a good solid mechanism that snaps the bail arm back without effort pretty flawlessly in reels from the stradic up, compared to the caldia jamming a bit and you have to force the handle to clunk it in place....I'm not impressed.

Are higher end daiwa reels better equipped with a smooth well working bail trip or is the caldia norm for daiwa? I'm assuming here because they all seem to share the same rotor.

Cheers Matt.

[redfinfisho]

Do you trip the bail by turning the reel??

I trip the bail before turning the reel with my hand then turn I'm pretty sure most poeple do it that way especially on highend gear.

[manno]

Hey buddy,

Ive had Pressos, Airitys, Tournament Force, TypeR+, Hand of the ogre, Hyper certates, Branzinos, Exists, Catalinas and Saltigas. ALL of them have had the most violent aggressive bail trip. Solid! Positive! CLUNK!!!! Love em all!!

By habit i always trip mine by hand but if you wind with a bit of momentum then they trip fine. However....... If you happen to start winding at or close to the point of trip then goodluck getting that bail over trying to turn the handle!!

I dunno if that helps but i couldnt help myself. Bail trip on those air bails is one of my favorite things on all my daiwas.

Cheers
Manno

[redfinfisho]

Originally Posted by manno

Hey buddy,

Ive had Pressos, Airitys, Tournament Force, TypeR+, Hand of the ogre, Hyper certates, Branzinos, Exists, Catalinas and Saltigas. ALL of them have had the most violent aggressive bail trip. Solid! Positive! CLUNK!!!! Love em all!!

By habit i always trip mine by hand but if you wind with a bit of momentum then they trip fine. However....... If you happen to start winding at or close to the point of trip then goodluck getting that bail over trying to turn the handle!!

I dunno if that helps but i couldnt help myself. Bail trip on those air bails is one of my favorite things on all my daiwas.

Cheers
Manno

share the exact thoughts, I think they're more designed to be tripped with your hand

[twitchtwitch...]

Originally Posted by matt jorg

I'm dabbling in the idea of some daiwa reels, I just picked up a caldia it is a nice smooth reel but the bail trip mechanism is a major let down.
Shimano has a good solid mechanism that snaps the bail arm back without effort pretty flawlessly in reels from the stradic up, compared to the caldia jamming a bit and you have to force the handle to clunk it in place....I'm not impressed.

Are higher end daiwa reels better equipped with a smooth well working bail trip or is the caldia norm for daiwa? I'm assuming here because they all seem to share the same rotor.

Cheers Matt.

+1

The Daiwa bail trip is no different on the higher spec models, my steez and certates are exactly same. They need to be wound hard and fast to get the bail trip to function. Once they trip, they "clunk" whereas a Shimano will "click" and feel a lot more positive.
Shimano bails are a lot better mechanically than Daiwa in my experience

[manno]

Originally Posted by twitchtwitch...

+1

The Daiwa bail trip is no different on the higher spec models, my steez and certates are exactly same. They need to be wound hard and fast to get the bail trip to function. Once they trip, they "clunk" whereas a Shimano will "click" and feel a lot more positive.
Shimano bails are a lot better mechanically than Daiwa in my experience

No way!! The CLUNK is positive!! Give me a Clunk over a flimsy little click any day. Nothing says, "this bloody bail has tripped so start bloody winding" better than the Clunk!!! Anything softer or smoother just feels weak to me now. I've never had a bail mechanism failure and the added bonus of the hard trip mech is that i have also never had the bail accidentally close mid cast. If your heart is set on gently winding that bail arm closed then maybe Daiwa reels aint for you, or if your built like T-Rex then maybe Daiwa reels aint for you. But if you like the idea of having a beartrap for a bail arm then youll love Daiwa reels. Just watch your fingers!!

Embrace THE CLUNK!

[scizz]

cant say I know which reels have better bail trips than others as I dont ever wind the reel to close the bail arm and havnt since I was a kid,IMO it is a bit of a violent action and cant be good for a reel of any level.

[matt jorg]

The force required to clunk the daiwa bail shut is nothing positive- it screams wear out quickly.
I realise perhaps most people don't use it but I do and have been doing it without noticing, a flick with the right hand straight into a left hand wind.
The Shimano snaps shut fast and positive with less force and I'd say less stress on the reel mechanically.
I did have a chance to test it on the certates and yes no different to caldia and I think I'd have to change my technique and trip a daiwa manually for sure....

Conclusion daiwa not for me

Oh we'll looks like I'm sticking with Shimano and have a looonnggg wait for the new Stella's.

Thanks fellas

[manno]

Originally Posted by matt jorg

The force required to clunk the daiwa bail shut is nothing positive- it screams wear out quickly.
I realise perhaps most people don't use it but I do and have been doing it without realising it.
The Shimano snaps shut fast and positive with less force and I'd say less stress on the reel mechanically.
I did have a chance to test it on the certates and yes no different.
Conclusion daiwa not for me

Oh we'll looks like I'm sticking with Shimano and have a looonnggg wait for the new Stella's.

Thanks fellas

Yeah mate, if you can't get past the bail mech then stick with Shimano. Though I wasn't actually referring to the effort required as being positive, the actual locking into place with great momentum and solid force means that the bail arm feels "positively" engaged. Rather than having it just flop into place.

As for wearing out quickly..... Well the Presso, Tournament Forces and Airitys I own are the oldest Daiwas I have (10+ years now) and the bail mech and related parts on ALL of them feels as brutally strong as they did the day I got them.

Its all personal preference.

[twitchtwitch...]

Originally Posted by matt jorg

The force required to clunk the daiwa bail shut is nothing positive- it screams wear out quickly.
I realise perhaps most people don't use it but I do and have been doing it without noticing, a flick with the right hand straight into a left hand wind.
The Shimano snaps shut fast and positive with less force and I'd say less stress on the reel mechanically.
I did have a chance to test it on the certates and yes no different to caldia and I think I'd have to change my technique and trip a daiwa manually for sure....

Conclusion daiwa not for me

Oh we'll looks like I'm sticking with Shimano and have a looonnggg wait for the new Stella's.

Thanks fellas

Your definatly right about the bail arm, however don't let it deter you from using Daiwa. They make great reels and I still believe the certate is the best value for money reel on the market, I just love em'

The new Stella can not come any quicker, I just can't wait any longer.

[tuan]

Have noticed same thing Matt... But it doesn't bother me. I hand close my daiwas and when using my shimanos, ill wind or hand shut the bail.

Will usually use the hand shut to prevent loops etc. but i wouldn't let that deter you from trying out the daiwas.

[T Curve]

I note with interest that the new Stella SW has a manually activated bail arm. I would not be suprised if it works its way down the Shimano lineup in time as per the SR concept, X Ship etc.


In short you may need to get used to tripping the bail arm yourself in time.

[matt jorg]

Originally Posted by T Curve

I note with interest that the new Stella SW has a manually activated bail arm. I would not be suprised if it works its way down the Shimano lineup in time as per the SR concept, X Ship etc.


In short you may need to get used to tripping the bail arm yourself in time.

Alot of the big sw spec reels do have manual bail arm.
I think a saragosa is the same?

I may be wrong.....? I hope the bail trip stays

Interesting input cheers all I didn't think a bail trip would create this much interest but its clear that u bream fishos are a picky mob