What angle do bream attack from

[Stuie_02]

Hi Everyone

I was reading some comments on Halco 52 rising to quick. I then wondered about other loactions for weight eg on the back (but it would change the action probably, i think)

I then pondered a bit more as the bream has eye site into top of the head and the mouth at the bottom. The bream would look at prey from the same angle to looking down ?

I know i all depends on where the fish is in the column of water down deep etc etc.

What would a bream see/attack when a lure hits the water. Take it from the breams perspective?

Cheers
Stuie

[Dave W]

In most of the Harbody takes I've seen happen the Bream come in and up from a 'rear quarter' angle (both sides) with a few from directly behind, but even the behind ones involved a 'slash' at the last minute...

Hope this helps

[cody]

Gday

Ive never caught a bream on the middle treble of a hardbody. I dont know if this has much to do with it.

[pete s]

to slow down a lures rising rate, add an inch or 2 of lead wire twisted around the split rings. i add the same length of wire to both treble split rings to keep the lure balanced

maybe the black bream eats a lure differantly to their northern cousins, because when i get a follow on a hardbody, i'll slow down the retrieve to a stop, as the lure rises the bream will often "kiss" the rear treble .

probably 8 out of 10 lure caught bream have done this in my experience. the other 2 just hammer the thing

[madaff]

Originally posted by Dave W
In most of the Harbody takes I've seen happen the Bream come in and up from a 'rear quarter' angle (both sides) with a few from directly behind, but even the behind ones involved a 'slash' at the last minute...

Hope this helps

Spot on Dave I have watched many bream in clear water come up from behind, drift off to the left or right and bang. A lot of those missed hits I beleive are when the bream try's to nudge the lure away. (I think it's that teritorial thing).

[LakeConjolaFish]

I've caught a lot of bream on the first treble.

When snorkelling and scuba diving I do a lot of hand feeding of bream and with even quite small pieces of food bream usually only hold it by the least amount that they can, then they swim away from the school and try to eat it away from the others.
And usually they mouth it( suck it and blow it out) a few times before swallowing. This can alter though depending on how aggressive other fish are that are following them.

I have tried lures underwater and could not even get them near it even in a feedy frenzy of crushed oysters.

[Richo]

[i] I do a lot of hand feeding of bream and with even quite small pieces of food bream usually only hold it by the least amount that they can, then they swim away from the school and try to eat it away from the others.

That sounds familiar, last week when down Mandurah I had 2 bream directly either side of my OarG (within an inch) when I was talking to Geoff and it was sort of on the pause, no sooner had I turned back and noticed it, that one grabbed it and took off looking for cover, was a great sight to see. At least a third of the fish we hooked were middle treble jobs. Enough to suggest some certainly hit in the middle.

cheers

Richo

[Bear]

You guys got me curious about this a little while ago so I started to put on the front treble. Since then I have caught about 20-30 bream and not one on the front treble.

Interesting I thought.

[Ravin]

The bream I have seen take hard bodies have come in from behind mostly on a bit of an angle. As far as front trebles go I have caught very few fish on them at all. I'm thinking about removing them from my lures & rebalancing them all.

[Stuie_02]

Hi Everyone

i thought the takes would be from behind. most of my obervations is a bream looks at it from the bottom or from structure comes out and then goes for the lure.

I have found slightly similar results in deep water and shallow water the attack are from the rear. the follow you pause the lure then (usually) the bream comes in for the kill.

So the bream is seeing the rear and underside of the lure as it hits the water it follows the lure. The bream is now looking at the lure at level or above the bream moves on in. From behind and to the side (you pause) and bang..........

That how it usually works for me. just seeing what part of lures a bream sees

Cheers
Stuie

Ps im loking into the book also found out that thefishieries department at queenscliff has done a bit of research in the area of bream sight.

[Richo]

One thing I have noticed of late is if they are taking the tail treble, the middle will at times (usually) catch itself on the fish somewhere, making it a lot harder to be spat out. I still say you only need 1 fish on the middle treble in a tournament then its been worthwhile.

Still waiting for a 50cm to take your middle treble bear..... My fish from yesterday would have more than likly spat the treble had it not been secured by the middle.....

mmmm

richo

[breamsrus]

hi

they attack from the back
bream like to make an abush on there prey

seeya
breamsrus

[pw-bream]

Originally posted by breamsrus
they attack from the back
bream like to make an abush on there prey

Isn't that contradictory?
"Attack from the back" seems the opposite of "ambush"
Ambush is where you hide and wait for the enemy/prey to come along and then you get them.

Flathead are classic ambush predators, lying inconspicously on the bottom waiting for smaller prey to come along. That is why a moving bait or lure takes many more flathead than a bait fished stationary.

[Stuie_02]

hey Pw and everyone

have you tried a do nothing retrieve. cast crank down and have a coffee or two and ciesta watch the cricket etc etc. Then bring it back in

Cheers
Stuie

[pw-bream]

I've tried that with soft plastics, but not hard bodied lures.
Are you suggesting it is a succesful technique?
I remember reading about fishing surface lures for Bass that way, simulating a small animal falling from a bankside tree and laying stunned on the water for 30 secs or so before twitching back to life and trying to swim to shore and safety.