Daiwa bearing upgrade info for anyone wanting to do this mod.

[Nugget]

I completed the underspool and knob bearing mod today and thought I would throw up some pictures to make it easier for anyone not sure on what to do.

You will need....

The handle bearing a 4x7x2.5mm Stainless bearing ( approx 10$ from a bearing shop 14$+GST from daiwa)

The underspool bearing 7x11x3mm ( same again 10$ from bearing shop 14$ + GST from daiwa)


What you need to do is Take off your spool and you will see the aluminium bush with a small Clip sitting on top of the bush. Use a small flat screw driver to slowly slide the clip off its groove. Make sure you do not bend this clip out of shape.



Slide the bushing straight off. This is where you can add those white washer to change your line lay if you want too.



Be careful of the small pin that MAY slide out if your not watching. This sits under the bush.



Here are the new bearings sitting near the old bushes



Now for the easy part simply just slide the new bearing back onto the shaft. I used a small amount of daiwa needle oil on both sides of the bearing as I didnt have any grease. I also put a small amount on where the bearing sits on the spool.


I found the easiest way to get the small clip back on to slowly slide it down the shaft so it locks into position. Checking it with my small flat screw driver to locate it into the groove properly.

The Handle is the easy part Shouldnt need explaining but I will throw up a few pictures.. I also used the daiwa needle oiler to put some oil on the knob shaft itself and onto the bearing.






I have not use the reel yet but it feels alot smoother then it did before. Even the handle feels 10 times better I wasnt expecting much gain from that but you can feel the difference.

Sorry about the bad pictures but I hope it makes sense. I have seen a few questions popping up and I couldn't find anything firm when I googled the upgrade so thought this may help some of us.

[Kelson]

Very helpful!
On this note.
Would Daiwa invoice you every individual size for every bearing in a Steez/Collosal/ Certate?
I recently got a dislike on most Daiwa bearings and really want to upgrade to better, more corrosion resistance bearings.
Been wanting to do this for a while but all the different sizes and stuff makes it a bigger hassle then expected.

Ta Kelson.

[Olsey]

Originally Posted by Kelson

Would Daiwa invoice you every individual size for every bearing in a Steez/Collosal/ Certate?

Grab a set of vernier callipers and measure the size of the bearings when you're keen to upgrade.

I just done this with my set of old model Certate reels (pre 2009). I also upgraded the line roller bearing (3x6x2.5mm) with stainless steel ones and packed it with grease. This will most likely be the first bearing to go in any reel, so mine should now be good for quite a while.

Also to note is that the new model Certates (post 2010) have a thinner spool bushing. As what Nugget has mentioned, the older Certate has a aluminium spool bushing with 7x11x3mm measurement. The measurement for the new Certate is 7x11x2.5mm and I can not find anywhere that stock this size as a shielded bearing, only open ones (though I haven't tried Daiwa yet).

I got my bearings from VXB bearings (http://www.vxb.com/) in the States for ~US$20 for a pack of 10 stainless steel shielded bearings. I grabbed one pack of spool bearings and two packs of line roller bearings (also grabbed a set of digital vernier callipers for US$14). One thing, don't expect them to get it to you quickly. It took 3-4 weeks for my package to arrive but if you don't mind the wait, then it's good value. You could also try Boca bearings (also in the States) but I think they're a touch more expensive.

One thing I might do soon is photograph the steps to replace the line roller bearings and post it in this thread. It is a bit of a DohDohDohDohDoh to do!

Cheers,
Timo

[Matrix]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Be careful of the small pin that MAY slide out if your not watching. This sits under the bush.

Be super extra mega ultra careful with this small clip, it will go flying if you're a first timer

Good post Nugget, pretty useful upgrade for reels that have a bushing instead of a bearing.

[Olsey]

Originally Posted by Matrix

Be super extra mega ultra careful with this small clip, it will go flying if you're a first timer

Ha ha, great tip! I called up Daiwa Service to order 5 more the other day (just in case ) after this happened to me. A good idea is to place the reel in a plastic bag when taking the clip off. At least if it does go flying, it will be in the bag.

Timo

[Nugget]

If you could take some photos of the steps for the line roller throw them in. That will be my next upgrade because I keep hearings how good the factory one is.......... :/

Originally Posted by Olsey

Grab a set of vernier callipers and measure the size of the bearings when you're keen to upgrade.

I just done this with my set of old model Certate reels (pre 2009). I also upgraded the line roller bearing (3x6x2.5mm) with stainless steel ones and packed it with grease. This will most likely be the first bearing to go in any reel, so mine should now be good for quite a while.

Also to note is that the new model Certates (post 2010) have a thinner spool bushing. As what Nugget has mentioned, the older Certate has a aluminium spool bushing with 7x11x3mm measurement. The measurement for the new Certate is 7x11x2.5mm and I can not find anywhere that stock this size as a shielded bearing, only open ones (though I haven't tried Daiwa yet).

I got my bearings from VXB bearings (http://www.vxb.com/) in the States for ~US$20 for a pack of 10 stainless steel shielded bearings. I grabbed one pack of spool bearings and two packs of line roller bearings (also grabbed a set of digital vernier callipers for US$14). One thing, don't expect them to get it to you quickly. It took 3-4 weeks for my package to arrive but if you don't mind the wait, then it's good value. You could also try Boca bearings (also in the States) but I think they're a touch more expensive.

One thing I might do soon is photograph the steps to replace the line roller bearings and post it in this thread. It is a bit of a DohDohDohDohDoh to do!

Cheers,
Timo

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Matrix

Be super extra mega ultra careful with this small clip, it will go flying if you're a first timer

Good post Nugget, pretty useful upgrade for reels that have a bushing instead of a bearing.

Mine had a fair hit of grease on it and stuck on my finger. I should of mentioned it could go flying.

[scope]

Super impressive mate, thanks for posting that info up.

[Piscateur]

Originally Posted by Olsey

I just done this with my set of old model Certate reels (pre 2009). I also upgraded the line roller bearing (3x6x2.5mm) with stainless steel ones and packed it with grease. This will most likely be the first bearing to go in any reel, so mine should now be good for quite a while.

Is that for the 2000 size certate? And do you remove the shield when packing with grease. I find it almost impossible to remove the cover on the bearing.

[Olsey]

Originally Posted by Piscateur

Is that for the 2000 size certate? And do you remove the shield when packing with grease. I find it almost impossible to remove the cover on the bearing.

Yeah, 2000 sized certate. Though, it's the same size for my 2500R and 3500HD custom as well.

I didn't take the shield/cover off the bearing as it's way too tiny. I was also worried that I would lose it. All I did was put a heap of grease on my thumb and index finger and massaged the bearing. I then kept a thin film of grease on both sides and installed it back into the line roller. I'm not sure how much got in there but I'm sure it got into all the gaps where water could possibly enter.

[Piscateur]

Thanks for the info Timo.
Great thread Nugget very helpful indeed.

[Alex]

Alex, you should not touch the sides on shielded bearings. They are factory greased and there is no need to fiddle with them.

If you want to grease any bearings using your own grease, get open sided bearings.

Yeah, I would be also interested to see photo steps of how to replace Daiwa's line roller bearing.

Cheers,

[Todd-breamer]

Originally Posted by Matrix

Be super extra mega ultra careful with this small clip, it will go flying if you're a first timer

Good post Nugget, pretty useful upgrade for reels that have a bushing instead of a bearing.

In the automotive trade, people call those clips 'JESUS!' clips, as when they go flying off it's usually the first thing to come out of the person's mouth. Best way to keep them under control is to cup the clip with your other hand when removing so you have some idea where it's gone to.

also, pleaseeeee wear glasses when removing tight clips with screwdrivers. sounds stupid but i have had too many close calls. Just a little something people may not think about when doing mods like these. Great write up Nugget, if I had a Daiwa I'd be all over this mod.

[Piscateur]

Originally Posted by Alex

Alex, you should not touch the sides on shielded bearings. They are factory greased and there is no need to fiddle with them.

Cheers,

If your roller bearing is noisy, the only way in attampt to fix it is to open up the bearing degrease and regrease. Its not a certain fix but have tried external relube and that did nothing.
Have seen the shield removed before by the expert hands of GummyGuy but I cant do it.
So ordering new ones will be the go I guess.

[alex1]

Nice one Nugget.

The clips and shields are easily removed with a small chemically sharpend hook.
I find it best to remove them and add grease regulary. I leave them open.
Best is just to buy open bearings which are much better quality than the OE suppied ones.

Todd, a very sound piece of advice regarding the safety glasses.