WA Fish foundation

[jimi]

Hey Guys, there is an interesting post on the DohDohDohDohDohDohDoh boards about a new stocking program for WA. Looks like they will be getting together a few bream to stock in the swan, and later move on to other species.

Check out

http://www.westernangler.com.au/foru...m_11552/tm.htm

Cheers
James

[Craig H]

Great news... thanks for that Jimi

[jimi]

No worries Craig. It's probably worth buying a few of the stickers they are selling as the funds go towards more fingerlings.I know

I'm going to buy a few. Maybe I can wallpaper the house with them!!

Want to have mad sessions on bream in the Swan in the future? Want your kids to be able to catch them in the future? Well your always asking what you can do to help, the time has come for you all to put your hand in your pockets to help out the bream.

I just spoke to Ian Stagles from Western Angler on the phone to lend all my support to this fund he has started, check out the link Jimi put up to the DohDohDohDohDohDohDoh site for more details.

In the Bream Master store all the money from the video hire service has been put aside and this will be donated towards this re-stocking program before the end of the year, there is about $400 there already.

You can now make all donations to this fund at the Bream Master store where Geoff has a tin, please stick your hand in your pocket to help out this fund.

Think about how much satisfaction bream have given you over the years and donate accordingly. I really don’t think $20 or more is too much to ask. If you can’t afford that at least stick all your change from purchases or change you have in your wallet into the tin every time you go into the store. I will personally donate $500 out of my pocket, WA BREAM Tournaments will also donate $500, Warren will also make a sizable donation as well and at the next tournament we will be passing the hat around for donations.

Hop to it guys, every $ you donate will put more bream into our rivers.

[Craig H]

As a non-money-earning uni student, I think I'll hoarde all the 5 cent coins I come into contact with for the cause.

Two-tenths of f#ck-all, but it's something

With a possible caveat or two.

Are donated funds to be used to stock a river where pros still net legally? (Swan & Blackwood)?

Why not just take the money down to TP and hand it over rather than make him work every day to get it, i.e top up the Fisheries offer for his license to buy him out and THEN the fish would do naturally (breed) what we are going to subsidise these aquaculture factilities to do...(produce fingerlings).

See where I'm heading here?

Rec Fishers pay to keep aquaculturists producing fish - so they can be stocked so pros can net em and make a proft.

Again - it's rec fishers being shafted at the expense of aquaculture and pro fishing lobby.

If I painted a turd to look like a Mars bar - would you eat it?

No...

But you'll all swallow a metaphoric turd in mars bar wrapping because it's sold to you as a "tasty solution" to bream problems.

Will the re stocking, solve the fishkills problem in the Swan R.?

No.

Will the restocking allow you to FISH for them in the marine park that WILL be the Hardy Inlet / Walpole and Nornalup estuaries?

No

Willl the recs get any of the pro's profits from netting our fish?

No.

Little tip for you all.

When it looks like a turd, smells like a turd and tastes like a turd - it usually IS a turd!

Anyone wondered why the supreme 'turd salesman' Kim Chance donated $25K toward the program?

Probably because it's funds pro fishing lobby gave to him to 'sell' their 'caddy shack turd in the pool' to the dumbass anglers swimming in the pool.

Whered the pros get that 25K?

Netting 3 tonnes of bream from the Blackwood R. to sell at $8 bucks a kilo (you do the math!).

Our solution?

To Dig into our own pockets to help fund the provision of "free Turds for everyone!"

Do these pro's pay any resource rent for the access to the bream lobsters scallops prawns and pearls they all make a $million a year each out of?

No.

Why are we going to effectovely give them scarce recreational angler funds then?

They net our fish - pay nothing for it - and take our fishing spots away for us as marine parks and we reward them with more money?

Talk about reinforcing bad behaviour.

If you trained your dog in such an inconsistent way - it would keep biting you - just like the pro's and theirtame Fisheries minister keep doing - and what do rec anglers do?...pat it on the head and give it a food reward.

Being a recreational angler doesn't mean you have to check ya brains in at the front door you know!

So wiull it just be bream the funds are used for?

Nope, might restock so dhu fish as well!

That sounds good

Except of course the pro lobster boys will be catching em 22 a day on setlines to pay for fuel while pulling lobster traps each day.

They should do pretty well outta that.

Recs of course still won;'t be able to catch one for love or money...they will be just that much poorer, while the pro's who pay no resource rents will make a little more than the $1 million a year each they already make now!

I sleep easy at night, knowng we have our best brains looking after recreational angler interests in this state.

How many Murray Cod we gunna stiock into lake Jasper with these funds and create a multiple tier fishery like Frank Prokop created over east with all the Black bass, yellow belly, reddies and trout etc?

What was that?.. NONE????????

But - it's OUR Money isn't it?

What - we can't use it fior anything that would so obviously enhance recreational angling while NOT providing a huge silent windfall for Pro fishers????

Gee - thats a funny recreational anglers fund - if you were a cynic - you'd almost think guy Leyland planned this little pantomime.


Thats what I like about rec anglers - they are capable of thinking independantly for themselves.

Maybe the fund should be more appropriartely called :-

WA Pro Fish Foundation! .... or something wioth a catchty acronym....

Tricky Usurp Rec's Deposits

...we could call it TURD for short!

Cheers!

Hey Shann I've been reading your long winded posts on here for months now and up untill now I can't be bothered replying to your long winded crap. If you put the same amount of energy you do typing posts into actually getting off your arse and doing something about stuff maybe things would happen.

If we all took your advice we'd all sit back and do nothing but whinge about this and that. At least Ian Stagles is doing something about it which is alot more than I can say for you.

You also bag out Frank Prokop on a regular basis, a man who has done more for Rec fishing then you could ever do in 10 liftimes.

Quite frankly mate I'm getting tired of listening to your bullshit, all you do is talk and blow alot of wind. Why don't YOU get off your arse and get a fund going. What have you done for in the last few years to help bream? Except attend meetings and rant and rave, Bugger all, what initiatives have you started? Bugger all. Mate you talk the talk but you don't walk the walk.

Mate I don't care if Guy is the one behind it all this, if it puts more fish in the rivers I don't give a rats arse where the money comes from. How you can say that getting $25,000 from the minister is a bad thing is beyond me.

My advice is go do something useful and stop putting a negative spin on things that people are trying to be positive about. No one wants to hear your negative crap.

Lets say I'm a fisheries minister facing an election.

State Budgets stuffed - hospitals in crisi schools on strike - coppers too.

Anglers are getting resteless, as a voting block they could effectively change the election outcome unless they are satisfied in some way....given something.

Whats at risk of being cut as a govt service?..something that doesnt pay it's own way in a commercial sense - something thats a drain on the public purse.

Aquaculture facilitys...

Lets say I GIVE the anglers 25K as a gratn to kick off their own stocking funds, and THEY raose another 100K to pay for fish...

Thats a 75K saving for the Fisheries Budget now comming outta anglers pockets and they will vote for me into the bargain becuase I gave em 25 in order to get them to committ themselves to raising an extra 75K a year for me...to fund my aquaculture facility I can no longer afford.

Once I'm re elected I withdraw ALL Govt funding for the aquaculture facility and the rec anglers can make up the shortfall outta there own pockets.

Then the Pros catch rates will go up - and they will vote for me too.

Looks like a win win strategy for the Fsheries Minister to me.

Looks very much like a lose lose result for rec anglers tho.

With the 75 k a year I've saved funding aquaculture - I can employ 3 marine park rangers to keep those pesky bream fishers out of the new Hardy Walpole and Nornalup Estuaries marine parks!!!

Yep - we rec fishers know all about fishing and how it should be run.

I wonder if anyone knows where one can get CHEAP Vaseline in bulk - I think Rec Anglers have nbeen shafted and they are going to need serious lubrication to cope with the degree of shafting we just copped.

Luckily our Industry leaders looked after our best interests yet again.

Yep, lets all get behind this program, sounds really great to me.

Must be the right thing to do - everyone else is in support of it! (arent they?)..

Cheers!

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.......................

True to form just as I thought...............

Will the fish be stocked into rivers for pros to net?

Will it stop fish kills?

Will it stop Marine Parks in Bream Estuaries Hardy Walpole Nornalup?

Legitimate questions Ira - like it or not.

Sure "SOMETHING" has to be done.

Hats off to those who've got off their ass and done something.

I just hope it's the right something and we havent been led somewhere 'easy' that with a little forethought we might not have chosen to otherwise go.

Time will tell of course.

I'm not against stocking Ira - without it there would be no trout fishery period.

It has it's place - and that MAY include bream and other species restocking - who knows - maybe even barra into Lake Argyle, theres LOTs of possibilities for good use of it.

That remains to be seen whether it eventuates or not.

Remember that there IS a translocation policy in existence that for restocking will be like walking thru treacle for rec anglers.

I admit when I read it yesterday it sounded pretty good.

It has potential to be pretty good.

Whats it achieves however may have implications not yet fully appreciated.

Why not reserve your points for logical argument Ira - your a good edittor and capable of a reasoned debate on issues without resorting to personal attacks.

Isn't that what this forums for?.

Have a nice day Ira!

Cheers!

[torvic]

I don't see how you can reject 25k worth of funds towards restocking bream populations. At the end of the day, if it puts more fish in our waters then its something good. To do what you did and try to slash the incentive of breamers into donating for the cause is beyond me...

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[jimi]

Trouty,

Just a couple of points:

- You've mentioned on many occasions that pro fisherman don't pay royalties on the resource they use, unlike miners and loggers. Fair point, but us recs are also resource users and we don't pay any direct royalties either at the moment. Think of this fund as a royalty. This is better than a fishing licence, as the money goes directly into fish stocks with no admin fees taken out. Who cares if we don't kill the fish, we are still using a resource that belongs to the whole community. We just have to get the pros to pay their fair share now

- I agree that management of the catchment is the long term way to ensure the fish can survive on their own. However, improvements from better catchment managment are much harder to measure and will take many years to take effect. If rec and pro fishing catch doesn't decrease in that time (that won't happen if human populations keep increasing), how are the fish stocks going to survive without our help?

Cheers
James.

Trouty and I don't often see eye to eye, but before you nail him to the cross, have a real good think about aleast some of the points he makes. some are very valid.

Samurai

[jimi]

Yes Trouty does raise some scary points. The thing is we're all looking for a solution to declining fish stocks, and here is one neatly wrapped for us and all we have to do is put a few dollars in a tin. Doesn't get any easier.

However, this isn't supposed to be a magic bullet (and won't be). It's just one small step on the way to improving the fishery. All the letter writing, attending meetings, reducing fertiliser use, etc, etc must still go on.

Cheers
James.

I don't think I'm the only one questioning stocking rivers that are netted bye pro's.

It should be remembered, that recreational anglers, also net some rivers (like the Hardy) so in fairness some of the stocking efforts would actually benefit those anglers who net recreationally.

It cuts both ways - as Jimi points out rec anglers don't pay royalties on our catch either (but, i'd point out the don't exploit the species for commercial gain either)

I'm not anti the fund - it's better than nuthin which is what we have now - Hats off to Stages as well - he got another run on the board.

As Fa Cranky Frank, hell - I still communicate with him quite often as well - I don't have any axe to grind with eithr of em.

Ira's just had a little hissy fit for whatever reason - but i wouldn't let it ruin y day - he does it occasionally as do I, and it letting off steam makes him feel better then thats Ok - I got broad shoulders, and he wouldn't be the first!

Ira does a great job of his editing and his bream comps etc - I'll forgive him a sudden rush of blood to the head, happens to the best of us on some occasions.

Lifes to short to harbor grudges and theres too many fish out there to not get along with other anglers.

Opinions are like azzholes, and like everyone else - mines no prettier than anyone elses.

Cheers!