Who modifies their HB's?

LongReach · #1 30-10-2008, 07:47 AM

Just curious to see/know:

Who modifies every bibbed diver they buy?

Who rips them straight out of the box fishes them with no mods?

Is it of utmost importance to get a lure to suspend?

I ask this because i recently took 2 identical lures, Mirrashads and put them in a tall glass vase to see if they do indeed 'suspend'. one floated , one sank.

A bushy's stiffy minnow is suppose to 'suspend' in fresh water....however it floats to the top extremely fast.

I know a lure that sinks in fresh can float in saltwater.

Does anyone here go to great lenths to tune their lures(HB b/minnows) to have a desirable boyancy for their stlye of fishing and the water they are fishing?

I have heard alot that a lure that suspends is very important.....is it? As i understand most bream hit a HB as it is motionless/paused?

CHOPS1 · #2 30-10-2008, 07:58 AM

Ok first things first, theyre both on the lower price range of things so dont expect them to do as the box says.
And it also depends on where your fishing as to whether you need a suspending or floating lure, they all have their place.

Chop

LongReach · #3 30-10-2008, 08:06 AM

I also tested some sx 40's . I have notice difference in boyancy with different finishes.......302 floats more than others....no/less paint.

Do you modify any of your lures?

Shortlite · #4 30-10-2008, 09:52 AM

There is some effect of the finishes on the attitude of the lures. Metallic foil finishes sometimes are given a heavier final clear coat for durability, as are painted finishes, but some finishes which are plasticised need this less (translucent finishes).

I tune my HB's for desired effect and attitude. Suspension, level sitting in the water, etc. First thing I do is upgrade the trebles if they need them. Upgrade is either size, wire gauge/strength, or both. In addition, I change stock rings to Decoys, and remove the tow point ring.

Powerbream · #5 30-10-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LongReach

I ask this because i recently took 2 identical lures, Mirrashads and put them in a tall glass vase to see if they do indeed 'suspend'. one floated , one sank.

Thats not a good representation, Once a leader is tied on the lure will be very different again. A flurocarbon leader will help it sink and a mono leader will help it float. Because of this the length of leader used will also effect how a lure suspends.

LongReach · #6 31-10-2008, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shortlite

I tune my HB's for desired effect and attitude. Suspension, level sitting in the water, etc. First thing I do is upgrade the trebles if they need them. Upgrade is either size, wire gauge/strength, or both. In addition, I change stock rings to Decoys, and remove the tow point ring.

Thanks for answering.

Great info! I was doing this last night to strikepro pigmies last night with a selection on new rings(2 sizes, decoys). and a varienty of treables. to get them to sit more level in the water.
I just read this and it is reasuring to know others here do this too.

I am convinced extremely skilled bream spinners must all do this. Would that be fair to say/assume?

PowerBream

I agree with you totally about the boyancy of lines and their affect on the lure. And that the glass vase is not the ideal 'Lab experiment' to use to tune lures with fresh water. Differences in salinity has a dramatic effect on lures and leaders to in terms of boyancy which makes things more complicated.

Rog78 · #7 31-10-2008, 03:09 AM

Shortlite,curious to why you remove the tow point ring?

MR_T · #8 31-10-2008, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LongReach

Thanks for answering.
I agree with you totally about the boyancy of lines and their affect on the lure.

if you're finding that your leader needs a little more floatation try giving it a light coating of vaseline - works well with light weight finesse surface lures

seamonkey · #9 31-10-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MR_T

if you're finding that your leader needs a little more floatation try giving it a light coating of vaseline - works well with light wieght finesse surface lures

Or a smear of some of the scent brands. Most have some oil of some kind in them. Then your dragging the lure thru a scent wake.

cheers
smky

LongReach · #10 31-10-2008, 03:36 AM

yeah i already wipe scent on a bit on the leader......but more for masking reasons but yes it will dramatically affect leaders boyancy.

Great tips guys.

Ilovebreams · #11 31-10-2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Powerbream

Thats not a good representation, Once a leader is tied on the lure will be very different again. A flurocarbon leader will help it sink and a mono leader will help it float. Because of this the length of leader used will also effect how a lure suspends.

I disagree with the 1st point... What longreach proved here in a controlled experiment is that 2 identical lures, which are supposed to behave the same way, are actually different out of box... before you add any other factors like leader weight, water boyancy etc

Most of us (maybe not the pros) assumes that the lures should do what it's suppose to do out of box... What longreach proved here is that it's not an accurate assumption. Perhaps quality control is not as good as expected nowadays.....

evilnev · #12 31-10-2008, 05:59 AM

I tune my HB's for desired effect and attitude. Suspension, level sitting in the water, etc. First thing I do is upgrade the trebles if they need them. Upgrade is either size, wire gauge/strength, or both. In addition, I change stock rings to Decoys, and remove the tow point ring.[/QUOTE]

G`day ,when you say Decoys,what are you referring to a brand or something?This question was for the quote from Shortlite.

LongReach · #13 31-10-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ilovebreams

. What longreach proved here in a controlled experiment is that 2 identical lures, which are supposed to behave the same way, are actually different out of box... before you add any other factors like leader weight, water boyancy etc

Most of us (maybe not the pros) assumes that the lures should do what it's suppose to do out of box... What longreach proved here is that it's not an accurate assumption. Perhaps quality control is not as good as expected nowadays.....

Yes, it is particularly strange being that the Mirrashads are same model same colour.......twins..........although one likes to sink and the other float(in fresh water).

I have adjusted/tuned all my sx40's to float down slowly in the vase(fresh water) of which all floated quite strongly in fresh previous to modifying......in the nong over the week end i will expect/hope

they are closer to suspending/float up slow due to the increased salinity rather than sink like in the vase. I also adjusted all the lure to sit level as it is slowing floating down.

I will take note of what leader and lenth i use and not chop and change.
As i am only fishing with Hb's i will just stick to LineSystems 'super egging' 4lb flourocarbon.

I am really looking forward to the week end as i have mon and tues off too

which gives me alot of time to see if these measures i have taken so far increase my catch rate(which is not good)

I will let you guys know how i go.

Please keep the responses coming as every single person who has help me here so far has brang something good to the table that is well worth considering/thinking about.

EVILNEV: Decoy is a brand.....Japanese made....really good quality.

evilnev · #14 31-10-2008, 07:05 AM

G`day,thanks for that Longreach,i thought the name was fimilar,my local tackle store just pointed me to some trebles by that brand and wants some feeback on them,yet to use them though.

LongReach · #15 31-10-2008, 07:32 AM

I only bought decoy rings and clips the other day.....never knew of them before that....did not know they make hooks, i am sure being Japanese they will be good.

My local shop has only had decoy stuff for a few weeks. Twice the cost of gladiator rings but more than twice the strenght in comparable sizes.The hooks will break/bend or line break before the decoy rings let go.....lol....

size 3 ring is rated at 40lbs!! as compared to gladiators 6kg in same size.

correction...... $5.95 for 20 pack of decoy rings versus $1.95 for 12 gladiators....... so not quite twice the price.