Daiwa Finesse Reels - too shallow?

kayakfish · #1 22-03-2007, 01:06 AM

Hey Guys,
Does anyone find the Finesse reels on the daiwa's like certate 2004. gekkabijin etc too shallow for bream fishing? I.e. not enough line?

I know the drag is only 2kg but i thought for my general purpose bream reel that should probably do right?

CHUNQX · #2 22-03-2007, 01:30 AM

The 2004 sized daiwa makes sense because you could just put on 150yds of 2 lb braid on it without needing too much backing but I don't really get the 2506 which is the size of a 2500 but shallow spool for 100 yds of 6 lb line... If you wanted to put on 6lb line, why not just use the 2000 size instead? In the case of the certate, the weights are the same (235grams) for a 2000 and the 2506..
In the Exist, they don't come with non-shallow spools but you can get real four standard spool sizes.

I think the advantages of shallow spools like the 2506 may be that you'd get less line twists and memory and longer casting distances than standard spools.

dylman · #3 22-03-2007, 01:48 AM

....I use a luvias 2506 and run a single shot of braid (basshard) on it, no need to muck about with backing or anything, and as the spool is larger and shallower than my other reels (cappy 2000's) the line does ping off quite nicely and usually mess-free. Having said that, basshard is terrible with wind knots, guide tangles etc, but that's got nothing to do with the reel. As for the drag, it's only 3kg on the finesse model, which is still plenty enough for bream. The 'finesse' drag setting is about the same as my cappy's which, when fairly tight, are substantial enough for any bream! HTH

Superduperman · #4 22-03-2007, 01:55 AM

I'd like to see the bream your catching if your worried about losing 150yds of Braid! Nah, i do understand where your coming from though, account for the bycatch and all...

Brad Y · #5 22-03-2007, 04:45 AM

I have two caldia kix 2004's and you will never have any trouble stopping a bream on them. I think the line will break at one of the knots before this happens.

I use half a dozen wraps of 6lb mono then a top shot of sufix performance braid in 6lb and i have had no troubles what so ever.

Best thing about the reels is that they are nice and light without the airity or exist price tag.

budda · #6 22-03-2007, 06:44 AM

I have a couple of Luvias 2004's shallow spool reels and they hold plenty of 4lb and 6lb braid and do cast better than the 1500 which I also own and personally reckon holds too much line

Stephen Wilson · #7 22-03-2007, 07:00 AM

hi all if you are worried about not enough drag then go the 2508 in all models they have rated the drag to7kg
So an Exist 2508- 7kg drag
Luvius 2508- 7kg drag

Bream Addict · #8 22-03-2007, 07:30 AM

I was under the impression that the luvias finesse models were only available in the 2004 and 2506 sizes.

TranquilityBass · #9 22-03-2007, 11:44 AM

I agree with budda.

Most standard size spools were meant for mono lines. Since nearly all of us use fused or braided lines which is much thinner than mono we can fit probably 2x the amount of line on the spool.

The certate 1500 could hold 150m of PE 0.8 japanese braid (rated at 10lb) plus plenty of mono backing which is overkill imho. With the price of good quality braid so expensive (>$60 for spool of 150m) quite a few people are using 150m to fill 2 or even 3 reels. In this situation what would make more sense... putting on more backing or going to a shallower spool? And also when breaming how often have you exposed more than the top 50m of line on the spool anyway?

I have 75m of PE 0.8 braid with a small amout of backing on my 2004 finesse which i think is a well balanced amount. If I am lucky enough to hook a fish that will take all the line, then so be it - i'm pretty sure it won't be a bream though!

NathanJohns · #10 23-03-2007, 04:01 AM

yer i have the luvis 2000 and it fits the whole 125yrds of 4lb fire line and about 30 meters of 6lb backing.
i think it is important to have backing because of bycatch.
last year i caught a 78cm golden trevally and it got right down past my backing on my stradic 2500 and it was a full spool of braid!
this year i caught my first jewie (while breamin) on my luvias and it also took about 5 meters of backing.

although a bycatch like those fish i mentioned hardly ever happens it is great to get them in on bream tackle and know that you have got that bit of extra line.
although now if i ever had a fish take that much line and i could see the backing i would follow the fish.
it also makes it easyer now i have a boat though!

Jamie · #11 23-03-2007, 07:19 AM

Hi, haven't posted here for about ten million years, but anyway... I had an Airity 2506 for a while and although I really liked the reel because of the ultra light weight and excellent drag system, the reel wasn't for me mainly because of the chances of hooking jewies, gt's and even the outside chance of stuff like cobia and tuna in some of the waters I fish. I wasn't really comfortable with the amount of line it held.
I like the shallow spool concept, but prefer to use reels like the certate and sol.

TranquilityBass · #12 23-03-2007, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Jamie
the reel wasn't for me mainly because of the chances of hooking jewies, gt's and even the outside chance of stuff like cobia and tuna in some of the waters I fish.

Not purely breaming is it, if you've got a chance of hooking jewies, GT's, cobia, tuna, etc. I wouldn't use a finesse spool either if there were fish like that around.

I guess the answer to whether the finesse holds enough line for bream depends on where you fish. In the upper swan and canning, the 2004 is more than adequate.

CHUNQX · #13 24-03-2007, 01:03 AM

You guys have it good with by-catches like those...

The only by-catch I've experienced so far are undersized pinkies, some goby thing, trevally and undersized salmon... oh, and occassionally sea gulls... None of which will threaten the drag let alone peel line from it.

Comes down to what percentage of the time you expect to encounter by-catches as well.

dylman · #14 24-03-2007, 03:59 AM

The way I see it, the chance of bycatch spooling me in the areas I fish is fairly minimal, but I have been caught offguard with jews and kings before, but also pulled kings out of wharf pylons while 'finesse' plastic-ing for slimey macks

But in theory, finesse spools are fine for me, horses for courses I guess...

Jamie · #15 24-03-2007, 04:19 AM

Last year a mate of mine hooked a longtail tuna while tossing plastics way up river about 5 km from the mouth, somehow he got it to the boat, that was on a 2500 sized tica.
I'm yet to hook a decent jew while breaming, mainly only schoolies up to 4 kg, but I feel a bit safer with a standard sized spool just in case. There are jew in these bream waters up to 25 kilos or more, so if I ever get lucky an extra 50 to 100 metres could make quite a difference.