Inferior copies.....

[tobymcclure]

What came first the chicken or the egg ? The 66 or the 68?

I won't can either company as its within their legal rights to release this !

What must be frustrating though is that there has been no innovation / no imagination. Is making $$$ the primary function of being in the tackle industry ?
Or do companies start out with passion to design and release something all of their own ! This is where my angst about it all stems from.

With my own company I like to regard myself at a higher standard than the cat majority of companies in the same field. I would expect nothing less from those in the tackle industry . Of which some have commented on my FB wall an backed my views up!

I guess these will help the $$$ minded angler as the originals are expensive . The younger generation will benefit fr these making them far more accessible ..

It's our choice to buy any of the three brands !

If we looked at it like alcohol .... We all drank Goon box's when we were younge

Would we still ???

[Breamingwithjoy]

Originally Posted by tobymcclure

If we looked at it like alcohol .... We all drank Goon box's when we were younge

Would we still ???

That's deep man. Real deep.

[bender]

Tuan , you dont need sponsors to keep a website up and running..
Most times having sponsors kills free speech...

But back on topic - whats done is done so the pros can buy the OSP and the young guys starting out can now afford the cheaper ones so lets just accept the situation and keep fishing.

[tuan]

Originally Posted by bender

Tuan , you dont need sponsors to keep a website up and running..
Most times having sponsors kills free speech...

But back on topic - whats done is done so the pros can buy the OSP and the young guys starting out can now afford the cheaper ones so lets just accept the situation and keep fishing.

surely the sponsors help keep the site running .. it's advertising. just like cars need to advertise on TV this is just another means of getting their product out there .. it'd be a pretty boring site without all the controversy, sorry I mean, new products.

at the end of the day, it's really up to the fisho to make up their own minds as to what to spend their money on and i agre with you - keep fishing.

[Addicted]

I know first hand of people who have used copies and couldn't catch a fish. It wasn't until they were given the original lure that that actually caught some good fish. Now if it wasn't for the fact this person was shown the better quality lure they would of been quite happy to put the lure back in the box never to use it again. It's examples like this that can give a great lure a poor name simply because people think cause it's cheaper and looks the same it's gunna be the same, when in actual fact the expensive one is a lot better.
Once someone has a bad experience with a lure they tell people.
Example.
Little Fred buys a copy, can't catch using it, tells his friends at school that its crap and then says something along the lines of I'm glad I didn't buy the expensive one cause there all crap.

[Breamobsession]

Originally Posted by Addicted

I know first hand of people who have used copies and couldn't catch a fish. It wasn't until they were given the original lure that that actually caught some good fish. Now if it wasn't for the fact this person was shown the better quality lure they would of been quite happy to put the lure back in the box never to use it again. It's examples like this that can give a great lure a poor name simply because people think cause it's cheaper and looks the same it's gunna be the same, when in actual fact the expensive one is a lot better.
Once someone has a bad experience with a lure they tell people.
Example.
Little Fred buys a copy, can't catch using it, tells his friends at school that its crap and then says something along the lines of I'm glad I didn't buy the expensive one cause there all crap.

Whilst i do not agree with what's happend here i do have to disagree with you on that mate. Ive used plenty of copied lures that still catch plenty of fish, its not the lure that catches fish its the Angler mate. If you can't catch a Bream on a cheaper lure then there is an issue imo. I'm not supporting Hurricane anymore but mate ive cleaned up on there lures and got good results in a comp using the fatty's last year. They do work but to me that is besides the point. Not all copies are crap mate, belive it or notsome do get tested a fair bit before being sold and i'm sure there are those that don't. Yes you may be paying for quality but not always fish catching ability mate.

Look at the shinku's they are an awesome little lure there is no denying that, they are very similar to the origianl Tiemco but i can tell you they catch as many fish and are half the price.

[bender]

how about everyone leaves the site and goes fishing for an hour or two ... then come backed chilled out and look at the topic again... might not seem
so important then..

[tuan]

Originally Posted by bender

how about everyone leaves the site and goes fishing for an hour or two ... then come backed chilled out and look at the topic again... might not seem
so important then..

lol some ppl have to work ..

[Bremmer15]

Originally Posted by tuan

lol some ppl have to work ..

ok then, try it again ;

how about everyone leaves this site and goes and does THEIR ACTUAL JOBS, and when we are all cranky and tired after a long days work, we can continue to squable over irrelevant crap!

[tobymcclure]

Originally Posted by Breamingwithjoy

That's deep man. Real deep.

Deep is what I do

[cowancreekdave]

Happens in a lot of industries. A small market is developed and eventually new players jump on board for a slice of the cake

[MangroveMick]

Oops.

[bender]

Whoa - channel 9 will have you for that ..

[John Osborne]

Originally Posted by bender

Whoa - channel 9 will have you for that ..

Szarn we can't leave the site and come back later, we would miss one of your rivetting quips

[Emo]

This is the reality of the world these days, things are copied directly or indirectly all the time.
With things such as fishing lures there is not a whole lot a manufacturer can do to make a certain design look different. This is very obvious with the "Bent Minnow".

It's clearly a design that works, and it's a very different design than what we are used to as Bream Fishos. So if someone makes a cheap version of it they will open themselves up for criticism because they have copied the fundamental point of difference that lures has in the market (it's BENT ffs)....

Another thing to consider is, a company such as OSP that research and design their own products spend considerable money doing so, and rightfully so they have to recoupe their costs to remain viable. If they don't they go broke.
The other side to this is if they have to charge $30 to recoup their costs and a new player brings out a cheaper copy that performs to a similar standard, OSP (in this example) will probably lose sales and $$$

What could they do to prevent this situation?

Charge $30 for their lures for as long as the market allows (or until they have recouped their costs) and then lower the price so they remain the preferred choice.

It's pretty clear that lures can be produced at very cheap prices, and a company can demand a chinese manufacturer adhere to whatever standards of quality they want them to. The difference between crap quality and good quality would only be a dollar or two (I assume) so after a year or two of recoupling costs why wouldn't OSP get these things manufactured in China and sell them cheaper?
I think Ecogear did it with the SX40 (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's a complex issue.