Price of a 40 hp motor

[Keenfisho]

i spoke to a dealer the other day about getting a polycraft, boat and i wrote down the prices and of the boat and trailor and the rest but i didn't write down the price of the motor. too embarrassed to ring back.

so i was wondering if anyone could tell me the price of a 40hp 2st motor.


Thanks

You don't specify brand etc...

OB's @ 40 Hp can be small ones beefed up (cheaper) or big ones detuned (Dearer) depending on brand.

Which is better is debateable.

If meeting your budget is crucial then cheaper is good - if long life more important then bigger engine, detuned is better.

You can rationalise it 100 different ways....odds are if you buy the bigger blocked engine for more $ seeking longevity - likely, you'll end up selling the boat for a bigger one inside a year or two anyway, probably negating the longevity benefits.

Had a look at the polycraft myself recently...impressed by some aspects and not so by others - still overall not a bad vessel was the impression I came away with.

Cheers!

[Keenfisho]

the reason i didn't say a brand is that i'm not really sure of all the brands that are out there.

how about i put it this way then.

what is the asking price for a middle of the range Honda 40hp 2st.

i'm looking at getting the 4.55 frontrunner. so i think i'll be keeping it for a good while.

[Evan]

Keenfisho Honda dont make a 2 st motor but i know that their 4st in the 40 is around $6800-7000ish give or take a couple of hundred.

price of the motors really depends on what the dealers have in stock at the time.

Have a look at the yammy's - they make 3 models of 40s, the CV which is the cheap 2st 2cyl model, a 3cyl 3st (i forget the name of the model) and the 4 st.

i have a 410 poly and personally think that a 455 with a 40hp will be underpowered. i have a 50 on the back of mine and was originally going to go with the 40. reports that i have heard tell me that 410's with 40's can be quite sluggish on the water. i think that hte 455's are rated to a 60hp so it might be worth upping the power on the back of the one you are looking at. its a lot cheaper to get it right the first time rather than upgrade later.

trouty: which model did you have a look at. im interested in hearing your views on them

cheers

Evan

I had a look at a Yella one in stock in Gero last week, - it had a after market bimini on it. About 15 ft long model by the looks of it????.

It didn't have any OB rigged on it.

There seemed to be a lot of big stainless bolts in the floor area holding the floor down and also the console - they were huge bolts for a 15 ft vessel - something I'd have expected to see holding the wheels on a mack road train...and there was lots of them.

Something that interested me was the drainage thru the scuppers/bungs at the back...

The holes for bungs are well above the lowest point water would pool, basically you'd have to hang the boat on a endless chain by it's bow ring to drain all the water out (or sponge it all out every time).

If you left water in there, I guess it'd get all algae green and skanky in no time flat, specially if you added some fish blood n scales etc...

I thought they could have worked on that drainage aspect better IMHO.

Other than those two very minor points - it actually looked pretty good to be honest.

I had my doubts about the way the after market Bimini was attached (screwed to the gunnel top wth stainless self tappers) and reckon it will end up tearing itself off in any sea at any speed in any wind. One of the issues with these roto moulded poly ethylene hulls is that backing plates need to be moulded in at time of manufacture for all intended accessories.

Once you start adding after market items not designed specifically for that hull - you run out of any way to attach them other than a self tapper into the poly ethylene (if theres no backing plates moulded in at manufacture) - which is likely to both work itself out over time wth movement or simply tear out under any real stress.

The ONE big plus of polyethylene that any people dont realise is that it basically doesnt break down in sunlight.

I know, I have a 15 years old poly tank on a firefighting trailer here on the farm, that I've had out in the sun the last 15 years and while faded it hasn't gone hard or brittle - my kids still climb all over it and it never even looks like breaking....bloody amazing material and very well suited to the marine environment.

It seemed to be a good boat - wouldn't have minded a ride in one just for curiositys sake - but i was short of time and it wasn't rigged with an OB.

Cheers!

[Evan]

sounds like you saw the 455 trouty

not a bad boat but im not too sure how it will go as a breamin boat, being a v hull and all. i was looking into one of them but i liked the layout of the 410 better, and it was a v nose punt which was better suited to the type of fishin i wanted to do.

agreed with the bimini and the self tapping screws. i had that same problem when working out how to attach the kota. ended up going with dave w's idea and putting a port hole through the 10mm poly skin so i could bolt the thing down. its been beaten around and hasnt even looked like coming loose.

they also dont have the scuppers in the 410, just a compartment where the decks drain into and then out the back. ive put a bildge in so if i cop a lot of waves (eg crossing nornalup inlet) i just pump it out the side - quite good as well as the livewells drain into the same compartment.

[chris78]

Evan,

I have a 410 on order at the moment (only 1 week left to wait. I went for the tillersteer model and am putting a 40hp 2st 2cyl Tohatsu on it. These are pretty basic motor with manual start and manual trim. I think the cost was $4800 or there abouts. The total package with boat trailer motor and a 55riptide minkota, as well as removavble seats and pedestals and navlight, decklights came out at $12500.

I cant wait to get my hands on it to do the finishing touches and get into some bream.

Cheers
Chris

[Keenfisho]

i've already got the 55riptide minn kota, and the swivel folding pedestal seats, and a GPS Fish finder.

so i could save my self some money there.

i like the front runner as when my parents come up from country NSW, i can use it like a bow rider and show them the coast.

for the money it's the only boat around that can do both.

would it be possible to get the brackets for the bimini, but get the bimini later.

with the stuff i already have could i get the 410 for less then $10,000.

[chris78]

Keen fisho,

In the shop here in Wollonong they have a basic tillersteer 410 with trailer and a 30 johnson for $9000. The side console is about 2K extra. Im not sure on the 4.55 models but i would doubt that you can get one for less than14k

Cheers
Chris

[AdrianW]

After reading comments on this post i thought it was nessesary to point out a couple of misconceptions concerning Polycraft hulls .

Firstly Trouty was right in saying that the two top bungs looked like they where positioned a little high and would have trouble draing the last of the water from the boat. We have found a fix for this by adding a bung in the top floor just in front of the transom so it can drain those last couple of cup fulls into the bottom hull and then out through the bottom bung which is positioned low as to get all the water out of the boat. So in total there is four bungs . two for the top hull , one for the bottom hull and one inside to drian the top floor into the bottom hull , this works well.

Also the issue with the canopy only being attached by stainless screws , some might think this to be a little undergunned for the job.And it probably would be if it was Alloy or Fibre glass , but keep in mind that the hull is 10 mm thick and even thicker at the gunwales , so there is a fair bit of meat to bind into.
So we then thought why not test it , so we grabed a stainless canopy screw , a washer and a peice of rope, installed the screw and washer then tied a rope to it . And then Brad (93 kg )hung off it while it was suspended from the fork lift, then he started doing chin ups ,we then treid two bodies and the rope broke but the screw didnt budge .We have installed around 500 odd canopioes and no one has contacted me a said there canopy has detached .I will try to attach some pics .
Regards Adrian W
POLYCRAFT

[AdrianW]

one screw , one washer and 93 kg hanging off it

Info from the polycraft people - thats the sort of stuff people need to know, and having the makers provide it direct is great stuff.

I never saw the third lower bung in the back as i was viewing the boat from the side - looking back toward the transom from the inside so the lower 3rd bung was invisible to me - which is why I probably misled people unintentionally with my comments.

Happy to be corrected.

The info about the attaching of Bimini is also great to know...nuthing wrong with a little "destruction" testing!!

After seeing the bent stainless steel brackets of Flashes bimini after it got towed down the freeway at 110 kph - you get some sort of appreciation for the stresses that CAN be involved. Flash's was repaired but it must have taken a heck of a LOT of strain to bend the stainless plate steel the way it did.

If screws in poly can withstand the type of punishment that will bend quatrer inch plate stainless steel - then fair play to Poly and screws, I say.

To give an idea of the forces involved (and the reason for my concerns re attachement of screws into poly without metal backing plates) take a look at the damage to Flashs bimini from the one towing incident when manufacturer towed the boat back to Mandurah from Perth for some maintenance work. It was later fully rectified, but it does clearly show the potential forces at work on biminis...a 30 knot speed over water into a stiff 30 or 40 knot headwind is the same type of forces involved as a 110Kph tow down the freeway.

Hopefully the attached pic works.

The benefits of backing plates & thru bolting become obvious in such scenraio's IMHO. Would the same 93 kilo dead lift 'forklift' test bend the 1/4 inch plate stainless?...are we really talking about the same type / level of stresses here?

The thread of a single screw into poly is stronger than 1/4 inch thru bolted plate stainless on glass?

It would be a really good test to condct maybe (i.e. hang the same guy off the forklift bye the 1/4 inch stainless plate) - if it bends as depicted in the above bimini photo - then it looks like screws and poly do indeed win the day.

Not sure just which way it would come out...

Cheers!

[AdrianW]

more pics of screw

Give me a lever and I'll move the world?

Just wondering aloud about the forces that act on biminis from wind - and a straight pull screw test as depicted above.

It appears to me that when wind pushes a bimini as it did Flash's - enough to bend 1/4 inch plate steel - that serious leverage is involved.

Does anyone doubt that screw could be pulled from the poly using a standard carpenters pinch bar?... why - because leverge is involved.

I suspect that the reason Bimini's often end up lying bye the roadside in pieces is due to the leverage effect.

Theres a lot of sailcloth area (hence force) on a bimini top - and add some leverage and you end up with the carpenters pinchbar effect - something that you think should hold up might fail you.

What is the sheer strength force of a single screw in poly (or any other material alloy glass etc?). Heck - these days screws seem to be made of case hardened plasticine - you overtighten them with the makita power driver and the head twists off etc etc.

I am yet to be totally 100% convinced about the sheer strength of screws into poly - although to their credit - the Polycraft lads simle yet effective test has me questioning my own convictions about this aspect of boating / bimini's now.

Maybe the lads have time for some more testing maybe...so far the test is impressive..but ever the sceptic I'm reserving judegement pending further testing...

The Archimedes fella with his lever is tapping away at the back of my brain....

Loose, floppy biminis & t Tops is I guess a 'bug bear' for me on boats...I take a powerfull lot of convincing but am always happy to be proven wrong by convincing argument/testing.

Looks like the Poly boys just about have me convinced...a small shove over the line is all it might take.

Cheers!

[Keenfisho]

when i enquired about the polycraft boats i was told that you can geet a bimini that fold down.

wouldn't it be better to get this type of bimini, as there would be less chance of it being blow off.