Force Need 2 Set Hook

[Rayman]

Hey Guys,

just a question
haven't posted for sooooooooo long

but here it is,
What's the force (in kg or lb) needed to set a hook into a bream's mouth.

trying to find a baitcasting rod strong enough to cast 1/16oz jigs but strong enough to set a hook.

Thanx guys.

I dont know the exact force needed to set a hook, but it wouldn't be much, especially if your using good hooks!
Just one question, why do you want a baitcaster. Threadlines have so many advatages over them in terms of bream fishing!?


dave

[Ol' slab sides]

Get a threadline outfit you'll save yourself a lot of frustration, even with 1/8oz. jigs your gunna have trouble...

slab

[Rayman]

i think i just fish baitcaster more confidently

and i think that helps my fishing

and it's easier to use (4 me anyway)

Thanx guys

[Stuie_02]

Hey Rayman

I think the actual queation your asking has to points of view on it really. The poundage to break through the bream rubber lips or side of its jaw would be dependant on a whole bunch of factors.

Things like how aggressive was the take, how sharp and strong the hook are.

strength of line and type of line should make a fair amount of difference as a 6lb mono line needs only 3lb of pressure from the fish and 3lb from the fisherperson befre it breaks. hahaha the flip side of this is that mono need 30% stretch andso the amount of breaking strain reached needs to be done so at a distance.

GSP is a whole different kettle of bream the line has virtually no memory or stretch. so 5% of stretch becomes very little room for some serious lunging dives at the last minute.

you can get a set of kitchen scale and hang them off something or get a friend to hold them. attach your llne to the scales and aim directly at the scales so you can lift about 3lb absolute max. I err the side of grace so i dont snap rods. a good bream of 4lb and work on the principle of about 75% of that (3lb)

I think baitcaster have slightly better drag systems than threadlines but i have never heard of bream spooling anyone (yet, please be me). I think drag needs to be enough to set the hook and not overload a 7ft rod at close corners.

Cheers
Stuie

[chris_lemess]

I have a Daiwa CV-X 105 with 4lb braid and a 1-3kg Struddie. This is more than enough to set a hook in the mouth of a bream, but I wouldn't want to be casting anything lighter than a Scorpion 52... preferably something like a River2Sea or a Bennet Merlin...

And forget plastics... you'll definately struggle with anything less than 1/8th, and 1/16th or less is what you need for bream most of the time.

As long as you have a decent baitcaster, and a nice whippy rod, you should be fine... most of fishing a baitcaster comes down to the angler and the breaking system, which in most cases these days is adequate for lighter lures. If you're an experienced baitcaster user, sure, go for it; there are no rules to say you can't catch bream on b'cast tackle!

[Dell]

Originally Posted by Rayman

Hey Guys,

just a question
haven't posted for sooooooooo long

but here it is,
What's the force (in kg or lb) needed to set a hook into a bream's mouth.

trying to find a baitcasting rod strong enough to cast 1/16oz jigs but strong enough to set a hook.

Thanx guys.

Hey Man

I've found the minimum force required is 10Newtons

[Kris]

Originally Posted by Dell

Hey Man

I've found the minimum force required is 10Newtons

ahh i got you mate... 10 'Matt Newtons'... have to give that a try

[bezzy25]

well i was fishing with slim jim on the weekend and he was using 1lb.... he caught a few fish and hookups werent the problem... ive caught bream on 2lb mono, and Mark i dont know his last name from WR Barra Tackle up in tinaroo is always posting pics of barra exceeding 25kg on 1kg and 2kg line while using Z Man swimmers... if you can set a hook into a 20+kg barra with 1kg mono, you can do it to bream as well...

[Bobby Bass]

I love baitcasters but not for bream.

I dont understand the reason for this question. Could you explain why you need to know this?

[Bobby Bass]

Originally Posted by Stuie_02

Hey Rayman

I think the actual queation your asking has to points of view on it really. The poundage to break through the bream rubber lips or side of its jaw would be dependant on a whole bunch of factors.

Things like how aggressive was the take, how sharp and strong the hook are.

strength of line and type of line should make a fair amount of difference as a 6lb mono line needs only 3lb of pressure from the fish and 3lb from the fisherperson befre it breaks. hahaha the flip side of this is that mono need 30% stretch andso the amount of breaking strain reached needs to be done so at a distance.

GSP is a whole different kettle of bream the line has virtually no memory or stretch. so 5% of stretch becomes very little room for some serious lunging dives at the last minute.

you can get a set of kitchen scale and hang them off something or get a friend to hold them. attach your llne to the scales and aim directly at the scales so you can lift about 3lb absolute max. I err the side of grace so i dont snap rods. a good bream of 4lb and work on the principle of about 75% of that (3lb)

I think baitcaster have slightly better drag systems than threadlines but i have never heard of bream spooling anyone (yet, please be me). I think drag needs to be enough to set the hook and not overload a 7ft rod at close corners.

Cheers
Stuie

If you want to get techy you could start to examine the bone desity and viscosity of the breams blood. These factors can change depending on temperature. specific hook and manufacturing consistancy and a billion other things would come into it

Do we really need to work this out? I can tell you the closest answer but it will take me a year or so to get the information required to do the equations. Not to mention the invoice I will send you at the end, all those duffs I buy dont come cheap

Can we just settle for almost no pressure if you are using light wire TT jig head? Most of us dont even set the hook, just lift the rod and start winding.

Force= mass x acceleration
or pressure/area (think about this equation and what it means)

How soft are your hands?

[Ado]

Different hooks/lures/fish/line/rods/reels will be result in different answers. Unfortunately this question can't be pigeon holed or answered, anyone that throws a number out is just a random guess.

[JIM1]

catch one and put a hook into its lips with a scale to gauge it, if they bite a trebble bang on and get all three points of the treble i imagine it could be high to get it in to the barbs, maybe 100+ grams? people catch them on half lb line so it can be that much

[Bobby Bass]

I have a new question

If I leave my live well pump on and it fills my boat up 40% of its depth (say depth= 1mtr) and I magically get it out onto the trailor.

-the bung hole is 30mm above the bottom of the vessel
-obviously water is the substance the boat has been filled with.
-we are at atmospheric pressure
-you can base the calculation on a virtical cilindrical vessel

1. What will the pressure be at the bung?

Cheers
Chris

[JIM1]

Originally Posted by Bobby Bass

I have a new question

If I leave my live well pump on and it fills my boat up 40% of its depth (say depth= 1mtr) and I magically get it out onto the trailor.

-the bung hole is 30mm above the bottom of the vessel
-obviously water is the substance the boat has been filled with.
-we are at atmospheric pressure
-you can base the calculation on a virtical cilindrical vessel

1. What will the pressure be at the bung?

Cheers
Chris

that would depend, what part of the world are we talking, you would have to consideration what latitude your at