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Old 06-10-2014, 05:59 AM
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Bite leaders

Gday, just wondering about using small bite leaders. Wanna use small light plastics on the flats but don't want flatties biting me off all the time. But I also dont want to deter other bycatch like bream and whiting, other wise may as well use bigger plastics and heavy leader. So thoughts - go 4lb with 8 or 10lb bite leader, or just 6lb for all the leader?
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Old 06-10-2014, 03:45 PM
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Just run a light drag and play them very gently, I've landed plenty of flatties well over 60cm on 3lb fluro doing just that. Usually you can have them in the net before they even realize what's going on
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:19 PM
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My mate uses bite leaders on giant herring , seems to work well
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Old 06-10-2014, 05:31 PM
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I've landed so many flathead on 4l it's not funny. Bigger fish aren't really a problem as they don't tend to give you the violent headshakes the little ones do. Just try and keep their heads down and like bargeass said, and play them gently.
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Old 06-10-2014, 09:35 PM
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Personally I'd say your overthinking it.
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Old 07-10-2014, 07:20 AM
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Thanks guys, might be something i play around with. My number 1 flatty lure right now is 46mm bigeye blade with #6 gamy single lure hook stingers. For whatever reason, they never swallow it down like this nor ever shake the hooks free. And on 4lb leader and 4lb nanofil, the casting range is ridiculous. Might try that first up and go from there. Cheers.
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Old 07-10-2014, 07:54 AM
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I use bite leeders all the time on flathead don't be fooled big flathead do shake there heads violently and will rub straight through. The bigger they are the further your lure can end down there throat
classic example was the second day of the flathead classic with the team struggling to score 100 points from 13 flathead on the first day. One of the team members decided on day 2 to run 6lb straight through after I advised against it he went on to hook the first fish of the day which turned out to be a brute of about 80cm and shook its head and busted him off............nooooo
after talking him into a bite leader of about 10cm and 16lb we smashed fish the rest of the day with a 83cm and 85cm and over 30fish scoring us 1220 points and rocketing us from about 200th to 29th on the second day.
So bite leaders are not a problem with Flathead
Oh and we had a bad 3rd day finished 42nd but will remember the second day forever as a magic day
Forgot to add if im chasing bream and whiting on the flats I just use 4lb or 6lb if I hook a big flathead I just go easy and if I get it to the net well great but if I don't well no big deal as im not after them anyway
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Old 09-11-2014, 06:19 AM
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Can someone give me an idea as to how you tie a bite leader/tippet? Which knot from fluoro to fluoro?
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Old 09-11-2014, 06:42 AM
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if you dont often encounter flathead over the 60cm mark where you fish i wouldn't be too worried. keeping the rod tip high helps but it can make them thrash around a bit. i always use under 10 lb where i fish and we get plenty of fish up 90 cm!
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Old 09-11-2014, 06:43 AM
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Can someone give me an idea as to how you tie a bite leader/tippet? Which knot from fluoro to fluoro?
uni to uni should do the trick
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Old 09-11-2014, 04:59 PM
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I just tie an extra 15cm of 12lb fluro on my bream leader. Worth it in my opinion, if flatties are present or a target.
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:47 PM
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I just tie an extra 15cm of 12lb fluro on my bream leader. Worth it in my opinion, if flatties are present or a target.
That's what I'm thinking. Which knot do you use?
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Old 10-11-2014, 12:01 AM
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I often tie to a small snap. Locked blood knot. Not elegant but the flatties dont seem to mind and its a quick change back If I want to get back to a light leader and snap.

Or uni to uni, or slim beauty variation. Even big flathead dont pull too hard or race into snags so knot strength isnt so crucial.
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Old 10-11-2014, 01:34 AM
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I often tie to a small snap. Locked blood knot. Not elegant but the flatties dont seem to mind and its a quick change back If I want to get back to a light leader and snap.

Or uni to uni, or slim beauty variation. Even big flathead dont pull too hard or race into snags so knot strength isnt so crucial.
Sounds about right mate, thanks heaps. Hope Bruns is firing for you.
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Old 10-11-2014, 08:12 AM
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Consider this. Some years ago while in England before fluorocarbon hit Australians shores there was an article on the world Trout fly fishing championships.

The competitors were saying that with fluorocarbon the competitors could up the diameter on their fluorocarbon bite tippets as the product being close to the light refraction of water meant that the trout were hitting leaders in the higher breaking strains because they could not see it.

The only issue I had with carbon in the UK when I started using it was carbon suffered knot burn and required lots of slobber to stop knot weakening.

The other was using light line sizes in carbon with low stretch meant the carbon line was much more susceptible to inertia breakages similar to, but not to the same extent as braid.

You should be able to fish heavier bite tippets with fluorocarbon without any problems with fish like Bream seeing them.
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