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15-11-2010, 09:59 PM
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i didn't want to get involved in this because i could care less about tournament fishing.
but... If someone is doing this for financial gain, including their sponsors covering costs and providing equipment. Then it is nothing short of blatant false advertising, in competition it should be paramount to cheating. |
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16-11-2010, 04:35 AM
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I've been reading this thread with interest. I've got to back up Jimmy (butcheri) here. Really this is all hearsay.
Aust Angling sponsor a friend of mine Spiro. I know for a fact, after receiving his sponsorship he has sold all his other lures, most on this site. I've bought some lures off him and have fished with him many times. They are lucky to have an angler who does follow the rules of his sponsor and Smith lures are a great lure. So are Ecogear, Zipbaits, Luckycraft, Maria, Bassday etc, etc, etc. They all work. But to degrade the winner of the ABT grandfinal on hearsay is just not on for me. Aust Angling have a gun fisherman in Spiro pushing there product who has achieved great results this year. Zipbaits have a gun in Dizzy Borg and others. So I dont understand. In my books, you are showing disrespect for your own anglers. You are saying that others "supposedly" are using your products and winning while your own anglers cannot. Why dont your sponsors concentrate on your own anglers and give them a wrap or shame your own if you please. As for putting pressure on tournamament organisers, well Ballnuts has answered that one perfectly. By the way, I will continue to use and buy both Smiths and Zipbaits becasue they are great lures. Just dont like cheap shots. Thanks all.
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16-11-2010, 05:04 AM
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Just because you sponsored it doesn't mean that your product is going to catch fish everytime, sponsored or not your mad if you only use one product. But, I will say that having sponsors my self I will always use that product first.
I don't think anyone was having a crack at spizza, hope not Anyway.
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16-11-2010, 05:06 AM
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That really shouldn't need explanation to anyone over the age of 12...
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16-11-2010, 05:19 AM
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I know that's the way it is and I must accept it but can tell you that if you read a ZipBaits sponsored angler has won then if a Zipbaits model was used than it will be the truth because as mentioned I have asked for the sponsored anglers not to say they used Zipbaits when they didn't, perhaps other companies may read all of this and make the same decision but I doubt it somehow money is more important than integrity I guess! I should point out also that this is out of the ABTs control and it's the anglers & companies directing for this to be done. Mark |
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16-11-2010, 05:49 AM
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Thanks for your reply Mark and you make some valid points coming from your end. I know that most of this thread is intended for Aust Angling but you are getting the brunt of this unfortunately due to your activity in the thread. If the sponsored lure company gets the credit for his win, then they have paid for this. Right or wrong. They chose him to sponsor and thats there good luck. Just to let you know, I bought my first Zipbait because of your exposure with Dizzy. He didn't win that tournament using it in 2007 but he said it was his "go to" hard body. That was more important to me than winning. So exposure was the key with a great angler. It is difficult to win all the time. Now I have over 100 zipbaits!!!!
Even though you may claim it not hearsay, isn't better for his sponsors to deal with this? Surely it would be better to give Spiro or Dizzy or whoever you are sponsoring a wrap instead of putting others down? They have achieved some amazing results this year giving Zipbaits and Smiths some great exposure, but all we are focusing on is someone else and his sponsors. It just comes across as sour grapes and a little disrespectful to your guys in my opinion. I know that it was not you that started this but as long are your anglers are doing the right thing by you then that is all you can control.
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16-11-2010, 06:50 AM
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Thanks DUKESTER also respect what your saying to be honest I don't know who it was winner 2nd place getter??? and don't think Steve really pointed the finger at any one individual but it is commonly going on, even if someone did say they used something they didn't I still respect that they got to the top and they're obviously very good at the game.
To be honest I don't really give all blame to anglers for this but I do blame their sponsors for putting pressure on these guys to get up there and sell their souls and if you don't your off the team I'm certain this is why this is happening. Anyway enough from me and your right time to concentrate on hopefully getting one of our guys on the GF podium next year  Mark |
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16-11-2010, 07:29 AM
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First of all I would like to thank you all for your input it has give me much insight to the Bream fraternity.
This subject has touched on a sore point with many a tournament and none tournament angler alike. Some here seem to think that it is okay to lie you are certainly not somebody I would want to sponsor. Many are already are aware of the goings on with you agreeing that it's due to the money lining peoples pockets for support and advertising and also due to sponsorship agreements. This particular event is just one of the misleading reports that has been published it is not by any means a single event. I have had numerous conversations with different anglers over the last couple of days including one with Slick whom this was not aimed at in which he told me of some of the mis - dealings that some sponsored anglers get up to and problems with the tournament scene. I am sorry Shaun it's not your fault either ..its the way it's written as you are not responsible for the write up, some things get left out like its useless information. But it is time for some transparency in the tournament scene and the ABT reports that are posted, maybe a new tournament system is required which is really for the angler it which would benefit all of which take part instead of just the few favored companies/persons. _Following is a great email I received from a person long associated with the industry and thank you._ Sponsored anglers still have a very long way to go in this country as do the companies sponsoring most of the anglers. Very few companies sponsor the correct guys for the correct reasons. Like you say if I was a sponsor I would want my angler to only have my product as I want to know how to make it better, colours design etc... Copying another lure is not how anglers get better products. "Imitation sounds like innovation but they are not the same." The trade show every year gets more and more "imitation" oriented rather than "Innovation" oriented which is a big shame for the industry as far as I am concerned. I guess things will not be changing in a hurry either although I think that there are many anglers who are getting sick of the forced advertising on TV and magazines that they see through and do not appreciate. |
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16-11-2010, 07:30 AM
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