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In 5 years i would like to see 50 entrants into the local Kayak ABT and i can see this being achievable, i would also like to see a full program thru the year and a local state final and a National Grand Final here, as the kayaks supplied travel by sea Containers it would not be to much extra hassle to have the Grand Final set up in W.A and we have many willing hands here to set it up and assist interstate entrants,,
Oh and i would like to see different venues for the kayaks,,as we don't need boat ramps it must open up more possibilitys tho i am to new to the game to know where that might be,, Last edited by Shortytheyakker; 18-10-2010 at 07:32 AM. |
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Can be done a number of ways, similar to what we were starting to do at WABT. Jr. yakkers. Jr. electric series. Jr. as nb during the series. With events looking as though nb numbers have been short, why not. They get the chance to fish for good anglers and have a chance to see how it's done before they get boats themselves.
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Guys,
Every few years I have to tell this story – but I’m fine with that – there’s no secrets to ABT’s existence and why we do the things that we do. ABT exists to help develop the fishing and boating industry. A bit over a decade ago, we had no need or desire to buy fast boats, expensive tackle or a dozen bream-luring outfits. And now we do. We think that the best way to do this is using the boater/non-boater draw system. It’s virtually cheat-proof and, more importantly, it creates a pathway for people coming into the sport to get guaranteed rides on boats and first hand experience with other anglers that like to catch fish on lures. Sure, it’s administratively difficult – that’s why everyone else takes the easy way out and runs teams-style events. I’ll guarantee you that without the draw system, anglers would be very secretive about their tactics and tackle. How does that create an environment for industry growth? Steve Bain’s concept of “Who Shares Wins” was well thought out and rings true at many levels. The industry backs the concept. Each year ABT raises a couple of hundred grand in sponsorship dollars to fund the full time employment of three staff and put them on the road to run major ABT events. It also maintains the framework for the BREAM Classic system that most of the teams events in the country work with and contribute towards. And, as you probably know, ABT also runs bass, barra and flathead events throughout the year. There’s no committees and few volunteers. Like any business, ABT listens to customer feedback, but it’s used to streamline the processes rather than change the foundations of its success. Plenty of other events have come and gone – I’m sure someone could trawl the archive here and find a bit about WABT shutting down due to lack of interest and/or cash. I remember concerned customers telling us that we’d be out of business in a year because of the STC(?) comps when they started up. Probably the most important reason, though, that ABT endures, is because every cent that it makes is spent on the events that it runs (and to a lesser extent, its publications – online and in print). I guess that I’ve spent thousands and thousands of hours working on it and have never taken a wage – it gets put back into the system, just like any prizemoney that I win. So, when ABT makes decisions, we make it with the ‘will it help the industry and the future of the sport’ paradigm firmly in mind. The outcomes may differ from your wish list, which may have good intentions, but lack practicality. Some suggestions we’ve had in the past are brilliant, and we’ve taken them on. Thanks to all who take the time to contribute – whether we act on your ideas or not. So, where do we go from here? Everyone has their 2c to contribute, and we respect that, but I think that the best thing that you can do for your sport is to introduce a new person to it. Think about it – if everyone here got a friend, relative, child or workmate hooked on breamin’, then the whole deal would double. It’s not that hard – just one person each. Sounds a lot easier than expecting the organisation that creates the framework to also fill it up. Thanks Sean F for starting the topic. I notice that a lot of BreamMaster’s sponsors have a genesis in the tournament scene, so it’s nice to see the wheel turning. Cheers, Steve Morgan |
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'Everyone has their 2c to contribute, and we respect that, but I think that the best thing that you can do for your sport is to introduce a new person to it.'
Not going to happen here with only 2 events per year and nothing for a WA angler to really gain. Part of the reason WABT existed in the first place. Would be great for one of the comps to have picked them up and run with them to fill the gap. Not to be I suppose. I understand ABT's point of view, and I suppose that's what we all get when a single 'business', or in WA's case 'businesses', runs the 'sport'. In the end it's what helps the business, not always what may be best for the sport. This is really where clubs can step in and feed off what ABT has begun. Not really that different to what happens in other sports. Keep 'em coming though. Always good to share ideas
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Wasn't talking about tournaments, Sean, just bream fishing in general for the 'bring ya' mate' bit.
Agreed re: clubs helping to fill in the gaps! SM Last edited by Steve Morgan; 18-10-2010 at 09:45 AM. |
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incentives
if the ABT is wanting to get new anglers on board and into the comps, why not have some sort of incentive program to get them. possibly something like 50% off your entry fee for your first comp then full price for all the rest of the comps or 50% off ABT membership for the first year you join. maybe even a refer a friend system where if you bring a friend to a comp and they join then you both get 20% off.
another possibility is to introduce prizes for the whole field, not just the top 10. even if its only a lure from the sponsors so the people who did not do so well can still take something away from the event. |
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it would be awsome to see more tv time, look at the bass comps in the states, they play it on national tv like we play all codes of footy here, why not something similar, like previously said maybe start with afc and super series, then go from there, a bunch of my never before been fishing mates have come to weighs ins and so on and just from seeing the ritzy boats and gear to the nervous weigh in they are all now devoted bream fisho's put it in front of peoples faces and get attention
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There is also the Classic series to fill in the gaps between ABT Comps. This gives WA 6 or 7 comps (including WA grand final) WA Anglers still get the same invites to the national GF as what the rest of the country does. Ofcourse logistically we are at a disadvantage buty this has been no different for the last 8 years or so. If WA wants a truely state based comp scene it needs to be done outside of the ABT Scene (like WABT) but run differently perhaps. Hillbilly has really put forward the future, I think, for the WA comp scene. utilising things like the Calamari Classic (maybe some one needs to give those guys a hand to get them more often?) Fishing clubs are a great idea but look at the ones that have sprung up. They need peoples support. Something the west is lacking! Junior comps are an idea but the insurance costs would be astronomical! Those politically minded people should perhaps approach the various WA publictions to setup various comps. Either that or the larger fishing/boating clubs around the state. I know Craig has a good deal going on with Mandurah Ofshore for the classics. Regardless of all of the above, it all takes money and someone needs to get the money and more importantly the interest of the public and the public is a notoriously apathetic lot! |
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If you start discounting entry fees then there is less money going into the pot and the bottom line is everyone wants to see the pot get bigger.
The bigger the money the more people are willing to give it a go, and spend the money on accomodation travel, boats etc. Clubs are great but they inevitably end up as a small group of people doing all of the work, for no reward, except for people standing back and telling them what they should do, not that what they are doing is great. Steve and the ABT employees do a great job! I do not like all of the rules and certain facets of the runnings of the comps, but the bottom line is that they run the comps so they make the rules. I love fishing the comps and probably would in any format they said we had to fish. "Who Shares Wins" is the best thing that has ever come out of tournaments which is why I enjoy the non team comps so much. Spending the day on the water with people I would normally never fish with has seen me learn many things I would probably never have taught myself in a lifetime. If I had my time over in comps I would probably spend a couple of years as a non boater. This opportunity is worth not being in the cash side of the comp. Just my 2 cents worth. Bring a friend grow the sport grow the cash pool and everyone wins! Ian Sewell |
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Bring a friend grow the sport grow the cash pool and everyone wins!
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Interesting discussion and some good ideas but as a number of you have said it takes someone to stand up and actually get the ball rolling by doing the hard yards.
Some realities: Very difficult to get sponsors; Even more difficult to get cash rather than product from sponsors; Administration / organisation of comps takes a heap of time - eg The WA Classics may be a one day event but it takes me the whole weekend getting organised and then running the event; There is Government red tape to be worked through and if a junior event was to be run then the Working with Children checks would need to be done at $30 each from memory - so a bigger workload (and risk). There is more but I don't want to come accross as negative. Perhaps suggestions of sponsors - I am trying to attract major sponsors from outside fishing (so far only knock backs Skywest excepted)) but am open to further suggestions. In general terms I see the progression as being: Club events, then Classics, the ABT events. How are the Clubs progressing? ABT events struggled for numbers in WA so running 2 day events may not be practical. Brads suggestion of other species events has merit (Bubba suggested this also in a different thread - Centre Console inshore comp I think) - maybe these could be photo style? Maybe a Boater/Non Boater Classic - a Teams event but you don't know who is going to be teamed with who? The Mandurah Offshore Fishing Club would be pleased as punch if we could run other events using their facilities as a base - an Inshore event?? But it all takes time to organise - the 4 Classic qualifiers, The WA GF and the 2 WA ABT events (a total of 7 events) keep me more than occupied but I am happy to help out (advise etc) others as I do with the Kayak guys and the Squid comps. Keep the ideas coming it is great to see you all thinking about it.
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ian hit the nail on the head club wise ... most of the work done by a few, but thats the nature of the beast.
what a club requires to run well is no different to comps they both need keen dedicated people who generally have the good of the sport at heart but apart from that they need .... money .... but you run with what you've got and you do what you can to make things work. a big reason why we at the WCSA have gone away from trying to run comps, is others here in the west are are doing a bloody good job overall, namely craig and steve. pleanty will gripe about this and that, but over all they are bloody well done. sure we might do somthing for fun at an out of the way location that ABT or Classics could never visit, but even then its realy just for laughs with only a few donated prizes. stu & the albany off shore club are doing some great stuff on the south coast, i just hope other members chip in whenever they can. over all my thinking lines up with ian, steve's and others - bring a mate along, the more addicts the better the sport will go. just my 1.99 US cents worth.
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5 years
In five years time how smart are bream going to be?what new lures will come out?will 2lb fluro still get bites in pressured waters?what sounders will we be using?
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