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Old 15-01-2015, 07:18 PM
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Yeah the instant losses were likely tailor. The nongster I hooked last night was most definitely on - was mine to lose
Run a short length of 20lb multi strand, the really fine stuff if your being snapped off even on the heavier mono.

Mind you Sexton seemed to do pretty well on FC leader on his last trip and he was nailing stonker green backs!
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Old 15-01-2015, 07:32 PM
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(If the knot allows) - One quick way to improve its strength is to pass the line through the eye of the hook twice before tying.

And remember that a poorly tied knot can break at half the pressure of the same knot tied correctly
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Old 15-01-2015, 07:40 PM
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my moneys on tailor mate , they are lure thieves , i HATE them lol , I normally only do 5 turns on a uni and its super strong
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Old 15-01-2015, 07:45 PM
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if you want to get crazy with the testing - you can pick up these luggage scales for next to nothing on ebay - they're surprisingly accurate for the cost.

I went too far and built a rig with a ratchet from a tie down, attached to a length of pine - the scales were secured at the other end. The idea being that the ratchet would slowly load the knot.

But all you really need is an anchor point to attach the scales to - a wet polar fleece glove - and slow steady hand pressure to test lines up to 40llb.
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Old 15-01-2015, 07:47 PM
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Just a thought but is this just happening lately using the same fluro line?
maybe just maybe you have a dodgy spool of fluro??? try a different spool and see how you go, worth a shot. If it's not then well you'll use the extra fluro anyway, it wont go to waste.
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Old 15-01-2015, 11:05 PM
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Problem solved in the most irritating way possible. Almost wish I didn't know.

So I'm still on holidays this week so just spent a good portion of today rigging a heavy and a light combo that I can just grab and go with. I won't bore you with details except to say I also spent some time examining and playing with the leader I was fishing with last night ......

I usually pre-rig everything and it sits in the rack ready to go ... and then I remembered ... last week I rigged the caldia with a leader from a new spool of cheaper fc that I wanted to trial ... see where this is going?

I usually fish with Yamatoya Harris Fighter. If I wrap it around two fingers and pull on the lure clip on the other end I have to stop before I amputate my fingers .... now the new stuff ...pop... pop...pop goes the knot every time. OMFG.

So it is in the bin and I learnt a very hard lesson on what to potentially skimp on and what not to.

To the positives ... It prompted me to sort my gear out so I have two separate combos suited to lighter and heavier estuary ready to go. I learnt the fish-n-fool knot. I learnt that less wraps are better than more..... er actually .... all I can think of is I dropped a great fish to save $8 over 50m of fc.

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Old 15-01-2015, 11:40 PM
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Yamatoyo Harris Fighter is really good. Big fan if it.
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Old 15-01-2015, 11:47 PM
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I never have problems with my uni's u said u caught a few tailor sure its not them or are they definitely bream. Also as other have stated maybe too many wraps I never really do over 4

Edit just saw u found the problem yer don't skimp out on leader it is one of the most important components.

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Yamatoyo Harris Fighter is really good. Big fan if it.
1+ favorite leader. Harris or FC rock are about the only 2 I use these days.

I once tried a cheaper spool from a local tackle store, it was called "dogtoothe" or something... I had a very similar problem to you Sloth, the whole thing ended up in the bin.
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Sloth - can you name the cheap fluoro that was the culprit? Might save a few fellow BM'ers some heartache...
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I hate tailor with a passion. shakes fist*
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Old 16-01-2015, 12:45 AM
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I have found no matter what brand I have tried 4 or 5 lb fluorocarbon just breaks . 6lb seems fine IMHO
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Old 16-01-2015, 12:53 AM
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Sloth - can you name the cheap fluoro that was the culprit? Might save a few fellow BM'ers some heartache...
Believe me no one on here would buy it with the possible exception of Larry

It's from a one man operation and it gets decent reviews so I'm loathed to burn them based on my experience.
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Old 16-01-2015, 01:06 AM
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Believe me no one on here would buy it with the possible exception of Larry

It's from a one man operation and it gets decent reviews so I'm loathed to burn them based on my experience.
Fair enough mate...I'll just make sure I stick to the quality stuff!
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Old 17-01-2015, 12:14 AM
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Ok ..... Recently I've been getting onto a few bigger/stronger fish and experiencing bust offs at the lure. The bust offs are occurring when the fish is pulling hard and I'm assuming it's not abrading me against structure. If I had to guess I'd say the knot is cutting through the leader as I get back a relatively clean, straight broken end. I fish 4lb fc leader and tie to a decoy clip using a uni knot. I want to put an end to the theft of my lures ! Can I have some wisdom from the more experienced on how best to go about improving this. My current thoughts are:

1. Lose the clips and start tying loop knots direct to the tow point.
2. Keep the clip but ditch the uni-knot and start using the fish-n-fool
3. Up leader strength to 6lb.
4. Fish lighter drag

What steps do you take if you're experiencing premature lure loss?

Thanks

Edit: I do 6 to 7 turns on my uni knots and plenty of saliva
id up your leader and ditch the uni and fish n fool id go with a miller knot
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