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10-03-2010, 08:15 AM
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Rod grip lengths....
Here's a not so obvious question???
Why do Australian bream rods have so little rear grip?? I struggle with that logic. All my "bream" rods have atleast 6inch rear grip. Even my 2kg rockfish rod (read ultralight freshwater style) have 5 inch rear grip. Definately would prefer a little more. I cant see how you can fight the fish with just your wrist?? Unless someone can come up with a reason why so short...... Please give me some constructive answers as Im not starting or asking for a fight here..... 
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10-03-2010, 08:24 AM
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Hey mate, I prefer the shorter butt on my rods mostly for comfort when casting. when wearing a pfd and jumper and jacket (bloody cold here in winter) you puff up like the michellin man and longer butts can rub on clothing or pfd affecting your cast and can be costly when casting into tight structure.
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10-03-2010, 08:25 AM
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Im not sure, but it might have something to do with one hand casting or an easier flicking wrist motion when working lures?
It might also have something to do with the reason why fly rods are built to have super short or no rear grips?
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10-03-2010, 08:34 AM
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I prefer shorter rear grips for two main reasons.
The first is when using plastics, with rod tip up, i reckon that a shorter butt is less laggy on the twitch. I know its picky as, but i really do notice the difference. This said, i cant see how a well made minimalist split grip would be much different. The second reason it because a lot of my fishing is done in a yak. Longer butts mean that i have to hold my arms uncomfortably high unless i want the butt constantly knocking into my legs or the side of my yak. As far as the forearm/wrist/butt goes for leverage though, i’m far from the most built of blokes but its pretty rare that when fighting bream the biggest thing on my mind is how sore my wrist is...
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10-03-2010, 08:48 AM
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ok, fair enough about obstruction. I can see that, sometimes the butt does get caught in the sleeve and any loose clothing.
I can understand working the lure with your wrist but you cant adapt a different angle?? Fly rods got no rear grip because the reel needs to be at the end of the rod to act as a counter weight when casting. You also use your whole arm and wrist to move the fly rod. Fly rods also have a much slower action than a spin or baitcast rod, so the shock is absorb by the entire length of the rod. Heavier fly rods (re: 8wt and above) nowadays have small fighting butts for leaning on but hey it doesnt get the way of casting still. Abit off the bream but Ive been using an 8'2" PE 0.8 light seabass rod for softplastics chasing bream, flathead, skippy, tailor and whatever else off the rockwalls. It has a 11" rear grip and so far for the last 14mths, have not had any issues working the lures. Rod weighs 140gm, so its not a weight issue. So...any more thoughts on this??
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10-03-2010, 08:50 AM
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Ahh.....kayaks.....funny how alot of manufacturers come up with 3' to 5' rods for kayak fishing.....
yes understand sitting down and working the rod is difficult as you have to hold it up. Whereas standing up you can work the rod lower down. Alot of people fish all day for bream and working the lures alot, so the wrist does get a fair workout so I would've thought fighting the fish with another form of leverage helps give the wrist a rest.... Last edited by riceboy; 10-03-2010 at 08:52 AM.
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10-03-2010, 08:55 AM
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Being a user of Black Diamond rods with ultra short rear grips, I asked pretty much the same question a while back in reverse ie why arent there more rods with shorter butts?
I had it explained to me (cant find the thread) that its all to do with the taper. A short butt is only really suited to a slow tapered rod as the pressure on your wrist would be way too uncomfortable on a fast tapered rod (which there seem to be more of around at the moment). Personally I cant see the benefit of a butt that long in bream rods - never had any problems with fighting fish with a shorter butt although can see the benefits as you go up in rod sizes. Agree with previous post that I find a short butt far easier for flick/ underhand casting. Got rid of a megabass for that very reason!! Cheers
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#8
10-03-2010, 08:58 AM
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Im with Riceboy, i hate short rear grips its funny one rod builder in Ian miller builds a short grip rod then they all follow suit... Short butts suck i like to be able to tuck it under my arm..... Atm there isn't really good 2-5kg rod that is on the market time to build some decent rods lads.... Even the famous berkley dropshots droped the 4kg long butted rod, for what reason i'll never know...
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10-03-2010, 08:59 AM
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10-03-2010, 09:03 AM
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I personally think it's easier to work a lure with a long butt....But hey everyone to there own..
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10-03-2010, 09:06 AM
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10-03-2010, 09:08 AM
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Please dont tell me you cant fight a bream with out the use of tucking a meter of butt under your arm Honsu (spelling).l cant stand long rod butts clipping my forearm during casting in tight....long live the 4 inch. Yours truly, Wrists of Steel Morrison....  Butt is a funny word ....
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10-03-2010, 09:09 AM
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arhhh yes nice... Now thats a rod
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10-03-2010, 09:11 AM
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Nah just getting what everyone's thought is as no country has as wide range of bream rods with short butts as we do....
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