Shimano " X-Ship� biggest gimmick?

[TwinPower]

Because people hyped so much about the X-ship on Shimano reels
I decided to do a quick search to find exactly what X-Ship was
It was like Wow!
It’s a extra single bearing behind the Pinion gear….for lot of extra $$$
I was servicing Symetre FL and I couldn’t find anything different to the previous model.
I was expecting some sort of mechanical setting with criss cross gearing “X-ship" name sounded like that to me.
and previous model was more solid with thicker Oscillating guilds which was fixed in, not like the new toothpick size pin.

while servicing Symetre FL biggest let down was… if you took out the bearing for the X-ship behind the Pinion gear.
It actually has less bearing then budget Sienna reel as one side of the drive gear actually has “plastic bushing” instead of ball bearing, which is also used in the lowest Shimano series.

It was only able to make up for the 4 bearing by having an extra bearing on the line roller.
This Symetre FL just felt like in-completed reel.
Couldn’t understand why Shimano would leave that bearing out, (talk about trying to categorise levels between reels).
So comparing to Stradic FJ only has 1 extra bearing then Symetre, just because it doesn’t use that plastic bushing which should have been normal in first place.
I reckon 100% Shimano left the bearing out so it didn’t have same amount of bearing to Popular Stradic FJ.
And different between the old CI4 and the New CI4+ was it just didn’t have that single bearing behind the Pinion gear.
Which they gimmicked marketing with X-ship + extra bearing. Which is one thing.


Please note: left out the count for +1 bearing as it is roller bearing which is actually inside/part of roller clutch assembly which is standard in all reel.

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[tuan]

lol .. here take your pick .. i have attached the A-z of gimmicks. I'll take mine with the dartainium drag please

http://www.shimanofish.com.au/custom.../glossary.html

a smart person will buy a reel for what it is, not what the manufacturer uses to market it.

[Bream Ville]

hmmm so daiwa then....

[stella fella]

Not sure what you're trying to say here? X-ship is a gimmick because you thought it sounded like a different type or gear and it turned out it wasn't? I've fished reels with x-ship side by side with reels that don't have it, and I can honestly say that out of all the features shimano has released over the last few years that x-ship is probably the best of the bunch. It alleviates an immense amount of stress on your gears and keeps them more precisely aligned under load, and noticeably increases the cranking power of the reel.

[TwinPower]

Originally Posted by stella fella

Not sure what you're trying to say here? X-ship is a gimmick because you thought it sounded like a different type or gear and it turned out it wasn't? I've fished reels with x-ship side by side with reels that don't have it, and I can honestly say that out of all the features shimano has released over the last few years that x-ship is probably the best of the bunch. It alleviates an immense amount of stress on your gears and keeps them more precisely aligned under load, and noticeably increases the cranking power of the reel.

I love my Shimano reels and only use Shimano
I was just expecting little more than a bearing.
must of had too much expectation.
I think my thread got little lost as I was really disappointed that Shimano would use bushing instead of ball bearing
and covered it up with X-ship on the Symetre FL.
You have to agree Shimano didn’t use bushing to save few cents. They did this on purpose to separate the level class

i agree X-ship make up the difference, but Rarenium Ci4 doesnt have X-ship but still smoother then mid class X-ship reels.

[vxcalais]

Originally Posted by TwinPower

I love my Shimano reels and only use Shimano
I was just expecting little more than a bearing.
must of had too much expectation.
I think my thread got little lost as I was really disappointed that Shimano would use bushing instead of ball bearing
and covered it up with X-ship on the Symetre FL.
You have to agree Shimano didn’t use bushing to save few cents. They did this on purpose to separate the level class

i agree X-ship make up the difference, but Rarenium Ci4 doesnt have X-ship but still smoother then mid class X-ship reels.

Don't Daiwa use bushings instead of bearings in many of their reels in locations where other companies use bearings ?

[needy1]

First off all... You are comparing a stradic Fg to the symetre FL. You can't say that they are the same reel with one bearing short!! The grade of materials in the gearing may be different.

Secondly.. I think you are a bit confused as to what x-ship is...

It's not just the bearing support of the pinion gear. It's the collective design Shimano brought forward... Bigger gears & higher efficiency in the gear meshing to increase torque.

X-ship is what Shimano calls an idea to redesign a reel for more torus & rigidity.
1. A-RB bearings supporting the pinion gear eliminates pinion gear twist
2. By adding a large diameter drive gear and moving the pinion gear closer to the center of the drive gear provides 20% more power
3. X-SHIP increased gearing efficiency and power providing for ultra-light handle rotation
4. A-RB bearings supporting the pinion gear eliminates rotor flex


Its basically a similar concept as what Daiwa calls "real four"

Regards

[needy1]

The smoothness of a reel is determined by its build quality... U can have all the best ideas and concepts but if the quality of the material craftsmanship is not the best.. It will never be as smooth.

Regards

[nbdshroom]

X-Ship is anything but a gimmick. With two reels under load, the one with X-Ship is noticeably smoother as each turn of the handle transmits more cranking power. The rearranged gearing and bearing support affords more torque.

[nereus]

I don't care what it is ....but it feels better and i'm happy they did it.
cheers nereus

[rooboy]

Originally Posted by tuan

lol .. here take your pick .. i have attached the A-z of gimmicks. I'll take mine with the dartainium drag please

http://www.shimanofish.com.au/custom.../glossary.html

a smart person will buy a reel for what it is, not what the manufacturer uses to market it.

That bottom sentence is very true mate. Nothing wrong with the dartainium drag though. One of the better drags straight out of the box IMO.

[TwinPower]

Originally Posted by needy1

First off all... You are comparing a stradic Fg to the symetre FL. You can't say that they are the same reel with one bearing short!! The grade of materials in the gearing may be different.

Secondly.. I think you are a bit confused as to what x-ship is...

It's not just the bearing support of the pinion gear. It's the collective design Shimano brought forward... Bigger gears & higher efficiency in the gear meshing to increase torque.

X-ship is what Shimano calls an idea to redesign a reel for more torus & rigidity.
1. A-RB bearings supporting the pinion gear eliminates pinion gear twist
2. By adding a large diameter drive gear and moving the pinion gear closer to the center of the drive gear provides 20% more power
3. X-SHIP increased gearing efficiency and power providing for ultra-light handle rotation
4. A-RB bearings supporting the pinion gear eliminates rotor flex


Its basically a similar concept as what Daiwa calls "real four"

Regards

Yes its better built Stradic has two Oscillating guilds for better support, worm gear.. and so on.
However If Symetre had the same bearing numbers as Stradic don’t you think Stradic would be less popular?
There will be less to differentiate between the two reel

100% agree it doesn’t matter how small the add-on is, long as it makes that positive difference for a better reel, it’s 100% positive thing.
But Why the hell did Shimano remove the bearing and add to the back of pinion gear
Positive + negative = ?
I actually prefer that bearing to be at the drive gear then at pinion gear

[needy1]

if they made the Symetre the same as a Stradic.. why would there be a need for a Stradic? or fact of the mater is .. there would be no need for a Symetre.

If they made a Symetre the same a stradic, the price would be the same.. you can't expect to pay less money for a reel and get the same as a higher priced one...

Otherwise, everyone would want a Stella for the price of a Sustain.

regards

[GTgeoff]

Originally Posted by needy1

The smoothness of a reel is determined by its build quality... U can have all the best ideas and concepts but if the quality of the material craftsmanship is not the best.. It will never be as smooth.

Regards

+1 my Jap made twin power with out all the new stuff and with less bearings
is way smoother then our Stradic c14 and Sustain FG I put this down to build
quality.

[egithump]

Originally Posted by TwinPower

Hey I own three Stradic and seen inside out
Why the hell did Shimano remove the bearing and add to the back of pinion gear
Positive + negative = ?
I actually prefer that bearing to be at the drive gear then at pinion gear

I'm no engineer, but maybe it's more useful/effective supporting the pinion than on the main gear. For every one turn of the handle, the rotor on the Symetre spins six times? So the pinion gear would be spinning at six times the speed of the handle/main gear. The less friction on the pinion gear, the more efficient I'm guessing.