Pros and cons of the lox yoshi

[Bream_Buddy]

Hey guys
I am considering buying a lox yoshi 7ft 1-3kg and I have heard about some broken tips, reel seat problems

If anyone has any info regarding these problems I would like to know as I don't want a rod that that can be extremely easy to break

any info much appreciated if not the lox could u also reccommend a rod around the same price range that is similiar to the lox

[kaleidonova]

i dnt know about other but my mate spanned his hooking a lure in i think thats the way people do it but the reel seet on the the thingys the reels goes in has lifted but still works just doesnt look to good but its a nice rod

[Windknot]

I've been using one almost exclusively since January and I'm wrapt with it. It has seen lots of use and it hasn't broken yet and I doubt that it ever will. Even if it did break, it's covered with the $50 replacement tip warranty.

I reckon they're a fantastic rod and excellent value for money.

Mick

[Paps]

Originally Posted by Windknot

I've been using one almost exclusively since January and I'm wrapt with it. It has seen lots of use and it hasn't broken yet and I doubt that it ever will. Even if it did break, it's covered with the $50 replacement tip warranty.

I reckon they're a fantastic rod and excellent value for money.

Mick

Personally, I hate the 'no questions asked' warranty.
If it's a manufacturing issue then all problems should be replaced free of charge.
It's an easy way for them to still make money off their poor craftsmanship.

It does, however come in handy if you do something silly like close a door on the tip!

[CSfish]

They are great rods, light and great to cast with.

I've snapped two tips. The original tip broke twice, so I put a tip guide on the second guide from the top. The second broken tip I have put a tip guide on the 1st guide from the top. Funnily enough the rod still performs well. Stronger and you dont worry about it snapping anymore.

So when you get it and it breaks, just put a tip guide on.

[kakaryan]

Originally Posted by CSfish

They are great rods, light and great to cast with.

I've snapped two tips. The original tip broke twice, so I put a tip guide on the second guide from the top. The second broken tip I have put a tip guide on the 1st guide from the top. Funnily enough the rod still performs well. Stronger and you dont worry about it snapping anymore.

So when you get it and it breaks, just put a tip guide on.

If they really broke that easily I reckon they are not quite good? Or just broke due to some misuse?

[redfinfisho]

I've got a 7" 1-3kg lox yoshi matched to a 2000 sol.
I love it haven't had any problems and I recon they're a great rod for $200(from amazon online). I've used it for bream mainly but also for squid and even casting those heavier jigs with it hasn't done any damage.
Personaly I recon they're a nitro vapor for less than half the price.

+1 for lox

[The G factor]

Originally Posted by kakaryan

If they really broke that easily I reckon they are not quite good? Or just broke due to some misuse?

The lox series have very thin and sensitive graphite tips, thats why they break.
It is not a manufacturing problem or fault, it is the graphite. You get the utmost sensitivity, however you sacrifice its movement on sharp angles ( its not a jarvis walker nibble tip).

The older generation had extremely sensitive tips that could snap with a simple pinch. They have fixed this now and the tips are fine, and will only break if you misuse them. hey will not break under strain of a fish, they will break if you try bend them 90 degrees though. Load the rod up as it was meant to load up, and you wont have any problems.

Paps, as for the no questions asked guarantee, for these rods, it is generous and is a great system. They arnt faulty, but they are sensitive. When my tip snapped it was my fault, and it was great to be able to get a tip section within the week for only 50 dollars. Saves having to pay 100 bucks for half the rod like other brands make you pay.

Great rods, + 1 from me

[Paps]

G no mass produced rod ever has zero build quality issues; you're bound to get a bad one here or there. It is then up to the company to address the issue, at no cost of the buyer if it is in fact their manufacturing fault.

I dont accept the issue of the lox's being that the tip is thin, so are a hundred other 'high class' rods on the market yet they don't have the amount of issues the lox rods do.

They charge you $50 so they can recoup, or dare i say profit form the replacement of the tip rather then losing money as they should for faulty products in most scenarios.

[Todd-breamer]

Originally Posted by Paps

G no mass produced rod ever has zero build quality issues; you're bound to get a bad one here or there. It is then up to the company to address the issue, at no cost of the buyer if it is in fact their manufacturing fault.

I dont accept the issue of the lox's being that the tip is thin, so are a hundred other 'high class' rods on the market yet they don't have the amount of issues the lox rods do.

They charge you $50 so they can recoup, or dare i say profit form the replacement of the tip rather then losing money as they should for faulty products in most scenarios.

well go and spend 500 on a high end rod and i'll be happy keeping on replacing my 50 dollar tip in the mean time and until i break 6 tips only then will i have reached the same amount of money you spent on your rod.

but seriously, i am with the G factor in this situation. If items are used as per instructions of intended use, then things shouldn't break. and if they do then the onus is on the manufacturer and there are ways around the $50 fee to replace the tip, but they are much harder and time consuming.
i would MUCH rather pay 50, replace the tip and be back out fishing in the next couple of days.

just my opinion. (not trying to be rude)

[Paps]

Originally Posted by Todd-breamer

well go and spend 500 on a high end rod and i'll be happy keeping on replacing my 50 dollar tip in the mean time and until i break 6 tips only then will i have reached the same amount of money you spent on your rod.

but seriously, i am with the G factor in this situation. If items are used as per instructions of intended use, then things shouldn't break. and if they do then the onus is on the manufacturer and there are ways around the $50 fee to replace the tip, but they are much harder and time consuming.
i would MUCH rather pay 50, replace the tip and be back out fishing in the next couple of days.

just my opinion. (not trying to be rude)

Mate what are you on about?
where did the $500 figure come from?

Are you saying that the lox rods only compete with $500 blanks? If thats what you think your kidding yourself. And personally I wouldn't waste my time with gear that will most likely let you down while on the water in the first place.

[TheChief]

Does anyone know if the 7'' model has more issues than the 7'6'' or the opposite? I've got the 7'6'' and it's a good rod and I haven't broke a tip yet.

[The G factor]

Originally Posted by Paps

G no mass produced rod ever has zero build quality issues; you're bound to get a bad one here or there. It is then up to the company to address the issue, at no cost of the buyer if it is in fact their manufacturing fault.

I dont accept the issue of the lox's being that the tip is thin, so are a hundred other 'high class' rods on the market yet they don't have the amount of issues the lox rods do.

They charge you $50 so they can recoup, or dare i say profit form the replacement of the tip rather then losing money as they should for faulty products in most scenarios.

dude, thats the point, no mass produced rod ever has zero build quality issues, and to make up for that, they have a 50 dollar replacement policy for the few that do have issues. They cant say free tips for every faulty rod, because everyone will just say it was the rods fault, where in reality it probably wasnt.

As i said, it was the older generation that was too thin, now they have fixed it. As for the other high class rods on the market that dont have the amoutn of issues the lox rods do, well thats not true. The better the graphite, or the more graphite, the more sensitive and brittle the rod can become. My graphite leader vigore, 400 dollar rod, got the tip snapped extremely easily. but it was my fault, not the rods. I know my megabass rod will snap if I do the same thing that I did to my lox, as will 99.99% of my other high end graphite rods.

If the lox rods were faulty, they would break under the load of a fish, however, they dont. They break when people put them into roofs, or shut car doors on them, or try and grab the line down to the reel seat with the rod directly up in the air. They were made to be used in a specific way, and using it in any other way is asking for trouble. Im the first to say if a rod is DohDohDohDoh, ive used a heap and own a heap of crap and good rods, but even though I enjoy the high end stuff I always go back to the lox because I know its capabilities, and any rod that can skull drag a 56cm perch from its snags is a good rod in my books

[Paps]

G you personally cannot attest for how all the rods have broken.
The issue with Lox rods is that they have been notorious for breaking during normal use!
ALL graphite rods will most likely brake if mistreated, that's not the point.

The replacement policy is only good if it's your own fault. Under a normal claims issue a company will check how the blank has broken, against the story of the owner and run the necessary tests to find out what the fault was. This is also how they actually improve their product. You merely stating that it was 'the rods fault' won't see you get a replacement for free.

The issue is they sell you a faulty rod and then expect you to give them $50 to have the problem addressed.. no thanks!

[Todd-breamer]

Originally Posted by Paps

Mate what are you on about?
where did the $500 figure come from?

Are you saying that the lox rods only compete with $500 blanks? If thats what you think your kidding yourself. And personally I wouldn't waste my time with gear that will most likely let you down while on the water in the first place.

i misread the quotations you put around 'high class' which is why i stated the 500 figure. most high class rods in my mind are in that category and above.

but you must admit, it is much nicer to be able to pay the 50 out of convenience to keep fishing, then sit around wishing to be out on the water.

i will attest that i owned a a viva rod (same company as lox?) that snapped at the tip and was rated 12lb+, and was rather unimpressed. didn't follow through with the $50 replacement because the rod itself was not worth it. but with the rap these lox rods keep getting, i know i would be more than happy to cough up $50 for a replacement.

quick question for G-factor, how can one identify the new gen and old gen in the lox range, any visual indications? or is it a matter of getting out a pair of veneers and measuring the blanks widths respectively?