Looking for a New S/W Baitcaster..

[-Pivot-]

Looking for a new baitcaster for S/W use.

Planning to chuck it around mangroves, rock walls etc for some of your larger Saltwater species such as Jacks and Salmon.

Want to be able to cast small bream minnows like Double Clutched, Jackall Colt etc easily - as this would be the style of lures I plan to use the most.

I have put aside my previous dislike of the Daiwa Zillions in the hopes that the new Daiwa Zillion R Edition just may be able to prove me wrong.

I have had a feel of one of these and they are sooo smooth!

- And feels very well built.

Secondly is a Daiwa Alphas R Edition which I was originally planning to get until my order did not go threw?

Thirdly is the Shimano Chronarch D7.

So to sum it down, for the style of fishing I have mentioned above which of the following do you think will best suit;

- Shimano Chronarch D7101

- Daiwa Alphas R Edition 103L

- Daiwa Zillion R Edition 100L

Thanks.

[StuKlose]

What about the Shimano Core 100

[-Pivot-]

Shimano Core is Freshwater only.

I know with editionaly care it can be possible.

But don't want to go through all the drama with maintaining it etc.

[yakattack]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

Shimano Core is Freshwater only.

I know with editionaly care it can be possible.

But don't want to go through all the drama with maintaining it etc.

I have a used once TD daiwa viento with the twitch tab and all, i really liked it so i bought it, works great. just dont have anywhere to use it

[DaiwaFreak]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

Shimano Core is Freshwater only.

I know with editionaly care it can be possible.

But don't want to go through all the drama with maintaining it etc.

It aint freshwater only mate. The magnesium frame has been treated just like all of the other Shimano MG reels, and the bearings are ARB's.

If you like the round reels, look at the Shimano Calcutta Conquest. If you like low profile reels, Scorpion 1000/1001XT, Calais 100a/Antares AR.

[-Pivot-]

Originally Posted by DaiwaFreak

It aint freshwater only mate. The magnesium frame has been treated just like all of the other Shimano MG reels, and the bearings are ARB's.

If you like the round reels, look at the Shimano Calcutta Conquest. If you like low profile reels, Scorpion 1000/1001XT, Calais 100a/Antares AR.

I was planning on a Core but I've read reviews that it's only Freshwater?

Have you experienced using a Core in Salt? As I've been interested in one for quite some time now.

Not a fan of round baitcasters. Only looking at spending around $400.

Which mean the Calais is out of the price range.

Is it fair to to say the Scorpian is just a Japanese version of the Curado?
Like the Metanium is to the Chronarch?

Or is there a better build to the JDM models?

[DaiwaFreak]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

I was planning on a Core but I've read reviews that it's only Freshwater?

Have you experienced using a Core in Salt? As I've been interested in one for quite some time now.

Not a fan of round baitcasters. Only looking at spending around $400.

Which mean the Calais is out of the price range.

Is it fair to to say the Scorpian is just a Japanese version of the Curado?
Like the Metanium is to the Chronarch?

Or is there a better build to the JDM models?

I have not had any personal experience with the Core, but I have had experience with Shimano MG reels which have the same MG protection process as the Core. For example, Stella 2500 is magnesium, but fully saltwater safe.

Here is a review for the Core 100, as Tackletour says, it is saltwater safe. I'd go for the 50 Size though, much nicer for casting the lighter stuff.

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewshimanocore.html

Well, there are some differences between some JDM and USDM models, really depends on the model.

Core 100 (USDM) is similar to the Metanium MG (JDM), but...
-Metanium has the availability of a higher gear ratio (MG7)
-Metanium has 8+1 bearings while Core 100 only has 4+1 bearings
-Core comes in Pitch and Flipping Version.

Core 50 (USDM) is pretty much identical to the Aldebaran MG (JDM), but the Aldebaran comes with the option of the higher gear ratio.

Scorpion XT 1000/1001 is very similar to the Curado 50/51E, but...
-The scorpion has no anti reverse pawl, while the curado does
-Scorpion has S-ARB's while the Curado has 1 S-ARB and the rest are SS bearings.

[Bkingaby]

Have a look at the new alphas finesse on plat

[sammy]

My mate has a 100 dc and he gets a bit of distance on a sx 48

[-Pivot-]

Originally Posted by DaiwaFreak

I have not had any personal experience with the Core, but I have had experience with Shimano MG reels which have the same MG protection process as the Core. For example, Stella 2500 is magnesium, but fully saltwater safe.

Here is a review for the Core 100, as Tackletour says, it is saltwater safe. I'd go for the 50 Size though, much nicer for casting the lighter stuff.

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewshimanocore.html

Well, there are some differences between some JDM and USDM models, really depends on the model.

Core 100 (USDM) is similar to the Metanium MG (JDM), but...
-Metanium has the availability of a higher gear ratio (MG7)
-Metanium has 8+1 bearings while Core 100 only has 4+1 bearings
-Core comes in Pitch and Flipping Version.

Core 50 (USDM) is pretty much identical to the Aldebaran MG (JDM), but the Aldebaran comes with the option of the higher gear ratio.

Scorpion XT 1000/1001 is very similar to the Curado 50/51E, but...
-The scorpion has no anti reverse pawl, while the curado does
-Scorpion has S-ARB's while the Curado has 1 S-ARB and the rest are SS bearings.

Ok, thanks for sorting that out.
Still un-sure if I want to buy from PLAT.

What is the delivery time like, a few weeks or so?

Have anyone lost an order through delivery from PLAT. If so, did you get coverage?

Sorry for the Questions, don't want to lose the order, only to find out I'm not covered.

@Bkingaby ; I have been told the finesse is the same as a basic Alpha just with a pimped coating and a 100 size spool.

@ Sammy ; Not too keen on the round Profile reels.


I did a search on the Zillion only to realise it has a 7kg drag which means it would be more versatile then my Curado in heavier fish.

But how would it go casting smaller lures like mentioned?

Would I be able to fit a 103 size spool on a Zillion R for better distance?

[Ben]

have ordered from plat numerous times,
they've been really helpful even getting me things that aren't even on the website,
delivery has usually been within a week (to perth) and never lost a thing yet from at least 20 orders

[Ben]

also you can pay by paypal which gives you mandatory coverage to the set $amount

[-Pivot-]

Thanks Ben.

I will have a look and see what I can find.

Cheers.

[DaiwaFreak]

Originally Posted by -Pivot-

Ok, thanks for sorting that out.
Still un-sure if I want to buy from PLAT.

What is the delivery time like, a few weeks or so?

Have anyone lost an order through delivery from PLAT. If so, did you get coverage?

Sorry for the Questions, don't want to lose the order, only to find out I'm not covered.

@Bkingaby ; I have been told the finesse is the same as a basic Alpha just with a pimped coating and a 100 size spool.

@ Sammy ; Not too keen on the round Profile reels.


I did a search on the Zillion only to realise it has a 7kg drag which means it would be more versatile then my Curado in heavier fish.

But how would it go casting smaller lures like mentioned?

Would I be able to fit a 103 size spool on a Zillion R for better distance?

I don't think a 103 spool will fit due to the different spool diameters on a Zillion 100 spool, and lets say an Alphas 103 spool. The Zillion Type R will be great for the larger species, and with anything that is around the 5g + lures. You will be struggling to cast anything under 5g, you won't get any useful distances. Another disadvantage I find with the Type R is the gear ratio. 7.3:1 is just too high in my opinion. I have a 50th anniversary that has the same 7.3:1 gear ratio, I find that it lacks the fish fighting power and torque that you need on the really big fish. However, the amount of line that you can get in when you burn the reel is crazy.

Look at the Scorpion 1000/1001 XT mate, it has the lighter spool to cast lighter lures with ease (probably around 3g absolute minimum with the correct rod), and you can go lighter if you upgrade the bearings. It also has the balls to handle the larger fish, and its body is sooooo comfortable to palm. It's also fully saltwater capable and it won't break the bank. The Zillion IMO is overpriced, and a little out of date. Also from my personal experience, it isn't that durable in the salt.

[kakaryan]

Mate IMO what you are asking for are a bit too tough for an out of box baitcast reel in that price range and the properties you are asking for are a bit contrasting to themselves.

You want big drag, line capacity, but able to cast light weight lures easily.

That is just like asking for a snapper rod to cast tiny bream/trout lures or an ultra light bream/trout rod to have the power to handle a kingie...

Look at what Kev has caught, and what he was using. But for sure his pixy has been tuned / mod. / and upgraded. This maybe what you want.

http://www.breammaster.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37142


As I said before you won't find anything to be perfect in having contrasting properties. There must be some sort of trade off. If not, that would be a dream reel.

Even Imakatsu has to have different combos to suit different situations. Most of them are all Aurora but with different spools and brake modifications and upgrades. And have to mention, different rods.

Enjoy.