Flies that push water?

[watanangler]

Some months(maybe a year) ago one of the major fishing mags had an article on barra flies that had a round plastic disc tied at the fromt with polar flash, hair etc tied over the top. This gave the fly volume in the water without too much weight and made the fly push more water.
I often find that after not being able to divulge a fish on fly I can usually muster up something on a hard body, particularly in discoloured water. I've always thought this was due to the vibes sent out by the lure.
Has anyone tried flies that might send out some vibrations or p[ush more water. i'd be interested in a pattern.

[jimi]

Have a look at the bream puppy dog flys from dog tooth. They are like the barra ones you mentioned only smaller. I've not used them but heard that they do work. Flyworld sell them. Here's a picture:

[bubble]

I was lying in bed last night thinking of this very thing only I was thinking of using thoses cup-faced ear plugs that you can get. (bright orange or green) I thought that if I centred one on a jig hook and then put tuna oil, Spike it or aniseed on it it would make a great surface lure for bream.

And yes I have applied for the patent......

Strange things come to me at night.

[watanangler]

Been doing it( the surface thing with small popper heads) for years Bubble.Great fun but I think the patent has probably gone already.
I was thinking of subsurface flies as the dog tooth shows-if anyone has a pattern for the said fly Id be interested.

[jimi]

Muz Wilson (innovative Australian fly tier) makes a pattern very similar to the dogtooth and did a demostration of how to tie at our flyclub meeting a few months ago.

He doesn't use a disk like the barra one, but gets together 3 clumps of the flashy material. He ties on each clump starting down around the middle of the hook shank, with each one tied in front of the last up to the hook eye. Each clump goes completely around the hook shank.

He is basically building up the profile so that each clump helps to support the one in front. He then trims the material to suit at the end. I think he also put some softdip on the head to help keep the profile round.

He sets each clump of material aside at the start, before tying. He holds each clump together with cable ties (this is just for convenience - it comes off when you tie in the material).

As you can imagine this tying method consumes a lot of material, and you only get 5-6 flies out of each packet of shimmerflash or whatever you use. That is reflected in the price (around $7 for the fly pictured above).

I hope this description helps.

James.