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Bream Addict · #16 18-03-2006, 11:56 PM

how does something like this compare to a bay boat?

http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/618.cfm

madaff · #17 19-03-2006, 07:45 AM

Nothing like it Rangers boats has a very good deep V and shows a bit of freeboard too. Looks like a top boat for choppy water and pretty soft landing too.

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Bream Addict · #18 19-03-2006, 07:51 AM

sorry,now empty.

zimeric · #19 19-03-2006, 09:57 PM

Guys you have made a good & valid point..
however I have been on these boats and they are surprisingly dry...

US Bass boat manufacturers dont build these boats for fishing up rivers, they have some serious waters there as Ranger can attest to.. Michigan, Clear Lake , Okeechobee etc... these water bodies get pretty hairy at times as as far as i know these boats are adequate for these waters.. maybe not Ideal but they hold their own.

Im not saying you should be taking these things out on the Open Sea Heck NO WAY! but they are perfect for Estuary, river and Lake fishing... you cannot get better than these for serious inshore angling!

madaff · #20 20-03-2006, 08:46 AM

Unfortunately Zimeric, they the US have no idea what our sea conditions are I post on many of the US forums and they choke when I post up a current weather reports for Perth and local waters. They DO NOT get these conditions on a daily basis they do not get inconsistent seas like we do, we are faced with conditions not found on a Bass lake. They normally get consistent wind chop, thats part of the reason why they build Bass boats up to 22 feet the idea is to skim over the top. Throw into the equation 4-6 feet of ground swell on top of a 2-3 feet wind chop and a bass boat should perhaps stay on a lake.

The idea is to buy a boat to closely suit WA conditions that will allow you to fish outside when the opportunity arises. Don't get me wrong the Bass boats are an awesome piece of machinery but a saltwater boat it will never be. Compare the dead rise of a bay boat to a bass boat, that should answer most peoples questions.

Bear · #21 20-03-2006, 08:47 AM

I don't have a problem with them at speed Zim, but they are still a bit wet at rest. That is my reason for looking at the bay boats.

Here's Chris's Nitro at Walpole.

Bear · #22 20-03-2006, 08:56 AM

Walpole wind chop.

madsurfe · #23 20-03-2006, 10:56 PM

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Throw into the equation 4-6 feet of ground swell on top of a 2-3 feet wind chop and a bass boat should perhaps stay on a lake.

Madaff is right... it is not comfortable in a bass type hull. A bay type hull gives far more useablity when the conditions are average. Just over a week ago I had the exact conditions that Madaff is talking about as I made my way back to Pittwater. The trip down the Hawkesbury was fine in the wind chop but that all changed as I came into Broken Bay and got the chop on top of the swell. I slowed from 38 knots to 20 knots and rode it out for about 4k's . I just didn't want to break myself or the boat.

DAWS · #24 21-03-2006, 12:58 AM

Madaff

If the Bay/Flats boats are good in rough water why did'nt you come back across the estury at this years Manduragh boat show bream comp.

Daws

Craig · #25 21-03-2006, 01:30 AM

Daws

Probably because he is smarter than those of us who did make the trip back.

No point bashing your boat about when you don't have to.

My Polycraft made it across relatively easily but I took it quite slowly and got very wet in the process.

madsurfe · #26 21-03-2006, 02:02 AM

Hi Dawesy

yeah Madaff didn't have anything worth weighing in so why bother with the crossing. He did keep an eye on me as I started the trip back and was pleased that Brody and I turned around. Sometimes it is better to play it safe. Brody and I got soaked on the way over so stuff coping it worse on the trip back just to weigh fish.

Instead we enjoyed hot coffee and chips at the Pelican Point Cafe.

madaff · #27 21-03-2006, 08:36 AM

Spot on JP, we caught Jack and got soaked in the rain, spray jackets sitting in the back of the car

After taking most of the day trying to dry off after be soaked by rain we did not fancy a wet trip back, and when we looked outside the estuary and saw boats half the size attempting to cross I just shook my head in disbelief. After all didn't one or two boats capsize that day?

When we saw JP and Brodie turn back we went had a nice hot cup of coffee and a bacon and egg burger. Had JP kept going we would have tracked behind him because there was no way in hell I would have crossed in that boat, even if my bag went over 6kg.

People just need to learn when to boat and not to boat!

zimeric · #28 22-03-2006, 01:20 AM

i know what you are saying about the inconsistant conditions you are right a bay boat is better suited
but as i said before im talking about a specialised application here, Estuary and river fishing... You cant tell me there is a swell in the swan or the blackwood...

Lake Kariba in Zimbabwe for example is one of the Largest man made lakes in the world, 350 kms long and 35km at its widest, the water is big and on a bad day it is not nice to be on the water in ANY boat, 6 ft short swell wind chop...many many boats have gone down. But these boats are regularly used and are superb to fish from,
Yes you have to be more careful and understand how to ride the waves.
Yes it probably is safer/drier in a bay boat
But for the point of a bream/bass fishing platform you cannot, hands down, get better than a bass/glass hull.

did i mention they now have Black Bass in Kariba?

pity im probably never gonna get back to sample them.

Bear · #29 05-04-2006, 10:25 AM

http://www.genmar.com/

Acanthopagrus · #30 05-04-2006, 07:34 PM

Maybe go 4mm custom with what you want for the third windiest city in the world having the chance to fish offshore fly fish over say Rotto?

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Many boat builders and boat manufacturers refer to their boats being "Plate Alloy". For those who do not know this, many boats referred to as "Plate Alloy" boats have rolled or ribbed sides, these are made from a much softer grade of aluminium. In fact, these softer alloys are able to be easily formed, rolled and pressed to form the hull sides and bottom, similarly to the traditional "tinnie" on a larger scale. So what you say, .. well 5083 Structural Grade Marine Plate has a tensile strength of 290 Mpa, just for comparison, Mild Steel has a tensile strength of 250Mpa. The softer alloys used by many boat manufacturers may have a tensile strength as low as 90 Mpa. If you are unsure of the difference, get a piece or 4mm or 5mm 5083 Stuctural plate and bash it with a sledge hammer, and see what happens..not much I can tell you, it is really tough material. It is piece of mind, and the reason that most commercial fisherman, charter operators and commercial divers have "Plate Alloy" boats, made from 5083 Structural Grade Aluminium.