Hydrowave

[zaneofishing]

no one said anything about catching 5 fish in 5 casts.. its more the fact of its masking sounds and changing perception and mood via sound.. seeing rocks on a sounder doesnt make u catch u fish sure your aware of the structure and the fish holding habitat but to actually change a perception or mood of the fish i think is not fair. this is the argument at hand and the point to draw rhe line but hey thats clearly not gonna happen because if your behind it steve.. also its helping carl a mate of yours so again yea not gonna happen is it. im clearly not the only person who feels this way but i sure am voicing myself

[Madeye]

Im sorry but you cant compare the 2.
1 is an improvement on a technology you have allowed from day dot.
Gps and sounders have been around for decades.

Hydrowave is a new behavioral altering device (whether it works or not). Something that has never been seen before is like nothing else.

Rattles and scents have been around since the dawn of lures,
Yes they have been improved over the years. But they are old technogy that have been allowed since the inception of bream tornements

As i said on facebook, if it doesnt work then it will be no-loss if its banned. It will just stop people getting suckered into a Gimick.

I argree the premise of banning it as a technology isnt really there,

The more research i do, the less effective i believe it will be, However thats not really the issue,
The issue is more if it is, or isnt " in the spirt of the game"
Which is surely proven by the public outcry

I belive this is the cliff, this is where the line will be drawn,
I think we can aggree that this isnt the fish slaying ultiamte turn of machine it claims to be,

But if you allow hydrowave, if anything is invented in the future that does live up to the hype, you wont be able to ban it due to letting hydrowave in.

Ps: I sincerely look forward to your reply, Its great having educated debate with someone so passionate, and who is willing to attack the issue and not the person,
So please dont take this (or our previous debate) as an attack on you

[Steve Morgan]

Is there an emoticon for banging one's head against the wall?

If tournament rules were dictated by the Breammaster Luddites' whims we'd have banned:

• Fast boats (unfair for slow boats).
• Slow boats (unfair to bank anglers).
• Non-boaters (I mightn't like the one I get).
• Bio-baits (unfair for hard body users).
• Hard bodies with scents (how dare the bream think it's food).
• Fluorocarbon (unfair to the fish if they can't see your invisible line).
• Sounders (ever had a school of bass come sit under your sonar beams?).
• Other competitors (they fished my spot).
• Talking to anyone about the arena (how dare they get a hint off anyone).

Plus Madeye's plastics that 'bream can't resist"!

(I'm happy to accept your Facebook bet in your baits, BTW)



I'm bowing out of this one, before I 'help' Carl any more by outlining that I've caught fewer fish after fitting my Hydrowave than I did before it.

Plus, you can't argue against: "....the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe, and, uh ... No, that's it. It's the vibe".

SM

PS: Not new tech at all. Research "Biosonix", which has been around for near a decade. As few bass guys have these fitted to their boats.

[leelee]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

My opinion if if you want to ban this technology, you'd better ban the rest of the technology with it.

• I bet guys who were good on the oars wanted to ban electric motors.
• I bet old timers who knew the habits of fish wanted sounders banned.
• Guys in slow boats want to ban guys in fast boats.

Have a go of it before you make your mind up. Otherwise we'll all look like keyboard heroes.

If you're serious about the level playing field, please refrain from overtaking any fellow competitors while driving to your spots in a tournament!


Cheers,

SM

Couldn't agree more Steve.

I'm Just about to fit one. The only reason I am getting one is to mask my presence when on the water. It's that simple. The units do not magically put fish in your boat, you still need skill to boat fish.

Cheers

Lee

[Tom Walker]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Is there an emoticon for banging one's head against the wall?

If tournament rules were dictated by the Breammaster Luddites' whims we'd have banned:

• Fast boats (unfair for slow boats).
• Slow boats (unfair to bank anglers).
• Non-boaters (I mightn't like the one I get).
• Bio-baits (unfair for hard body users).
• Hard bodies with scents (how dare the bream think it's food).
• Fluorocarbon (unfair to the fish if they can't see your invisible line).
• Sounders (ever had a school of bass come sit under your sonar beams?).
• Other competitors (they fished my spot).
• Talking to anyone about the arena (how dare they get a hint off anyone).

Plus Madeye's plastics that 'bream can't resist"!

(I'm happy to accept your Facebook bet in your baits, BTW)



I'm bowing out of this one, before I 'help' Carl any more by outlining that I've caught fewer fish after fitting my Hydrowave than I did before it.

Plus, you can't argue against: "....the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe, and, uh ... No, that's it. It's the vibe".

SM

PS: Not new tech at all. Research "Biosonix", which has been around for near a decade. As few bass guys have these fitted to their boats.

Here it is

[Madeye]

As i said mate a bet is a bet,

If hyrdrowave isnt a sponsor ill send you $50.......that includes prizes too by the way

I still belive its a ethics issue and a precedence is being set.

Its ok though, when finish developing this new super strechy, bio, sound and pheromone emitting plastics that "bream cant seem to resist". I can rest assured you wont ban it

PPS: You forgot to add Pre-fishing to your list. Everyone knows that should be banned too

[Steve Morgan]

Final ethics homework-question for all those against Hydrowaves in tournaments:

• If research showed that bream were stimulated by your sounder pings into feeding, would you take your sounder off your boat or turn it off in a tournament?

SM

[leelee]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Anyone (apare from me) actually used one?

SM

Steve after reading all the responses I believe many members must have used them and it appears a fair amount of knowledge on the units.

Typical though the conversation reminds me of plastics versus gulps.

I think personally idiots that can't fish and have no morals should be banned, problem is you can't always get what you want.

Cheers

Lee

[Madeye]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Final ethics homework-question for all those against Hydrowaves in tournaments:

• If research showed that bream were stimulated by your sounder pings into feeding, would you take your sounder off your boat or turn it off in a tournament?

SM

Yes,

Alex griezdorf wom AOY without a sounder 2 years ago.

[Tom Walker]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Final ethics homework-question for all those against Hydrowaves in tournaments:

• If research showed that bream were stimulated by your sounder pings into feeding, would you take your sounder off your boat or turn it off in a tournament?

SM

Umm, My boat has no sounder, no GPS, no Leccy, no hydrowave and no power poles or anything. When ever we go out we either drift or tie up to pylons (where legal) and look at the result (fish caught by a mate because photo bucket upload not working, on my boat although with no electronics)
Also to back up the soft plastic bit by Madeye, All these fish were caught on Madeye Whippyworms.

[Riggers]

This is typically how fisheries are decimated. Mankind does not know when enough is enough. You can justify it however you want, but this technology crosses the line. I love technology also, but I do know when something is not fair play.

Yes, we have all of these other technologies, and yes, some of them should not have been allowed, but we have them. Doesn't make it right. Look what The GPS alone has done to our fishing stocks off shore.

This technology is another nail in the coffin for ou fishery, and even if this first model isn't what it is advertised to be, I am sure new and better will be following soon after.

[Emo]

The only first hand evidence about this things effectiveness in this thread suggests it is very effective.
At scaring fish away

[pyrorico]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Is there an emoticon for banging one's head against the wall?

If tournament rules were dictated by the Breammaster Luddites' whims we'd have banned:

• Fast boats (unfair for slow boats).
• Slow boats (unfair to bank anglers).
• Non-boaters (I mightn't like the one I get).
• Bio-baits (unfair for hard body users).
• Hard bodies with scents (how dare the bream think it's food).
• Fluorocarbon (unfair to the fish if they can't see your invisible line).
• Sounders (ever had a school of bass come sit under your sonar beams?).
• Other competitors (they fished my spot).
• Talking to anyone about the arena (how dare they get a hint off anyone).

Plus Madeye's plastics that 'bream can't resist"!

(I'm happy to accept your Facebook bet in your baits, BTW)



I'm bowing out of this one, before I 'help' Carl any more by outlining that I've caught fewer fish after fitting my Hydrowave than I did before it.

Plus, you can't argue against: "....the Constitution, it's Mabo, it's justice, it's law, it's the vibe, and, uh ... No, that's it. It's the vibe".

SM

PS: Not new tech at all. Research "Biosonix", which has been around for near a decade. As few bass guys have these fitted to their boats.

Well said Steve...

[Frithy]

After doing my research I am coming around. Initially I was probably scared that the hydrowave was going to completely change how we fish for good (as a few of the U.S pro video's would attest) BUT, steve's comments based on actual experience as well as Jason Wilhelms' comments which can be found here https://www.facebook.com/jason.wilhe...23327291020038
have eased my concerns and personally I don't see it as as such an issue.
I would like to withdraw my comments about banning them... next time I'll research before I comment haha

Cheers

[Bobby Bass]

Originally Posted by Steve Morgan

Firstly: Yellow door - LMAO.

Secondly: Here's a logical argument.

1. I know where all of the rock piles are on the Donnybrook flats - found after years of fishing, trial and error, and bumping into them with crank baits. I can line them up with marks on the bank.

2. Interstaters turn up for the Grand Final and make one pass of the flat with the Side Scan units and can mark every rockpile with GPS, after finding the flats on Google Earth.

3. Sidescan and GPS should be banned - it should take years of experience to locate those fish, because I think that finding bream is harder than catching bream. Because that's where I want to draw the line.

I don't see anyone arguing about sonar and GPS - anymore. 20 years ago, GPS was to be the great evil which wrecked fish stocks. Yes, I remember that and was around then.

"But," you say, "having a Hydrowave will make the fish line up at the side of the boat so I can pole in five in five casts with no skill at all."

I'll disagree. And I have evidence to back it up.

Here's my ABT tournament results for 2012. For your convenience, I'll split them into two lots.

(A) Before I got a Hydrowave.

GLENELG RIVER 5 2.17 5 3.27 10 5.44
MALLACOOTA 5 4.16 5 3.45 10 7.61
DERWENT 5 5.27 5 3.92 10 9.19
ALBANY 5 2.78 5 2.4 10 5.18
ST GEORGES BASIN 5 3.28 5 2.54 10 5.82

SUMMARY: 50/50 bream = 100%.

(B) After I got a Hydrowave.

TWEED RIVER 5 2.02 2 1.05 7 3.07
LAKE MAC 5 2.20 5 2.86 10 5.06
BRIBIE ISLAND 1 0.27 1 0.46 2 0.73
BRIBIE ISLAND GF 5 2.00 5 2.04 11 4.41

SUMMARY: 30/45 bream = 67%.

So, you'll have to agree that there's some sort of robustness in my assertion that I'm actually weighing fewer bream in tournaments now that I have a Hydrowave fitted. Even if you remove the Grand Final (where my HW batteries were flat), the percentage remains pretty much the same (19/30 = 63%).

Hence my opinion that I think that you should experience one before dying in a ditch about the theory of it all after looking at a website.

Thirdly: Haven't seen so much pre-release publicity since Steersy's crab!

Cheers,

SM

I think you need to look at why people are saying these should be banned. You are changing the behavior of the fish rather than looking for ways to take advantage of their natural behavior. Unless its using a lure tied on the end of your line I think you are stretching the rules a bit. I know your statistics clearly show you have gone worse this year but they could have been worse if you didn't use the hydro wave. How do we know you would have caught any fish last season, just because you go good one year doesn't mean you are going to go good every year, never know that could have been your worst season ever.

The main point and why this is so controversial is that you are changing the fishes behavior not with a lure but with a device mounted in your boat.

There is a poll with 82 votes on it so far. 53 votes to ban and 29 to allow in comps. I think you may want to think about why. People don't want to go out and try one Steve, a lot of people think this is immoral by the looks of things.




Cheers
Chris