Hydrowave

[sunline]

Whatever happened to the days of learning to outwit your opponent, with skill that you learnt all through your younger years of fishing? Of valuable lessons on behaviour and habitat of different species, and their migrational patterns,feeding habits and what triggered them to bite? I accept that progress has to be made to a degree, but with all the technology of today,skill sadly plays a VERY marginal portion of success in todays fishing skills. Im all for bow mount electrics and simple things as such. But the need to outskill your human competitor seems to overide the very reason we are all here, to simply enjoy your fishing? Im proud of the knowledge that i have learnt in my 30 odd years of my fishing life,and the information that was passed onto me by knowledgeable older fisherman. Dont get me wrong, im all for soft plastic fishing (gulp and similar excluded), and love my hardbody fishing as well. But to me all this modern technology should be put aside in competitions, and your skill and knowledge should be tested against the fish, not against your fellow competitor and how much technology he or you may have on your boat. This is just my personal opinion, and no malice intended.

[forsterfisho]

If it is true that you need a model for saltwater as you do for freshwater, it will turn a few anglers off.

I guess seeing that this an American product that then the feeding sounds are tuned for American species and not Australian species/Environments/Bait? So is it really all that its cracked up to be?

I kind of struggle to see how this can be compared to fishing with a 22ft bass boat/300hp motor Vs a 3m tinny and a 15. Both have advantages and disadvantages over each other......try getting a 22ft boat into a shallow gnary set of old racks?

I'm not sure of too many other technologies that are used that artifically change the behaviour of fish. Agreed rattles in lures can be lumped into the same boat but personally I think soundwave technology and rattling lures are at different ends of the technology spectrum....but where does one draw the line?

I can't see any reason to ban this at comp level, if a few want to use well thats upto them. I'm sure if you find 2 or 3 guys using this stuff and winning every comp then most of the field will have one in their boats, kinda making it a level playing field again!

If you want to have all that latest toys, well good on you. But I think that its taking the sport away from fishing more towards catching.

But hey, what do I know? I havent used one...or brain the fish every trip....so make your own minds up.

[TheChief]

Originally Posted by Bobby Bass

I understand what you mean Cheif. I think that was a little hack at ya to be honest and by a mod.


He knew what you meant

Cheers
Chris

I should have said this " I don't know about everyone but I'm pretty sure the majority of people here can afford a Hydrowave. I can afford one but even if I couldn't and I was given one, I wouldn't use one and I guarantee 99% of people wanting to ban it feel the same way."

[Bobby Bass]

Originally Posted by forsterfisho

If it is true that you need a model for saltwater as you do for freshwater, it will turn a few anglers off.

I guess seeing that this an American product that then the feeding sounds are tuned for American species and not Australian species/Environments/Bait? So is it really all that its cracked up to be?

I kind of struggle to see how this can be compared to fishing with a 22ft bass boat/300hp motor Vs a 3m tinny and a 15. Both have advantages and disadvantages over each other......try getting a 22ft boat into a shallow gnary set of old racks?

I'm not sure of too many other technologies that are used that artifically change the behaviour of fish. Agreed rattles in lures can be lumped into the same boat but personally I think soundwave technology and rattling lures are at different ends of the technology spectrum....but where does one draw the line?

I can't see any reason to ban this at comp level, if a few want to use well thats upto them. I'm sure if you find 2 or 3 guys using this stuff and winning every comp then most of the field will have one in their boats, kinda making it a level playing field again!

If you want to have all that latest toys, well good on you. But I think that its taking the sport away from fishing more towards catching.

But hey, what do I know? I haven't used one...or brain the fish every trip....so make your own minds up.

I get my bass boat into the shallowest of water and have pics to prove it. shallower than you will even get your tinny
But really I can get my bass boat into anything you get your tiny into, its just the scratches that I am worried about. Ask some of the guys that have been up the lane cove with me or up through the shallows of nepean river.

Having a faster boat does not affect the fishes behavior, anglers having a massive casting platform and comfort doesn't affect the fishes behavior.
Seriously, none of the other factors affect the fishes behaviour, thats what the big deal is here. It's sonic burley as somebody said.



Cheers
Chris

[forsterfisho]

Originally Posted by Bobby Bass

I get my bass boat into the shallowest of water and have pics to prove it. shallower than you will even get your tinny
But really I can get my bass boat into anything you get your tiny into, its just the scratches that I am worried about. Ask some of the guys that have been up the lane cove with me or up through the shallows of nepean river.

Having a faster boat does not affect the fishes behavior, anglers having a massive casting platform and comfort doesn't affect the fishes behavior.
Seriously, none of the other factors affect the fishes behaviour, thats what the big deal is here. It's sonic burley as somebody said.



Cheers
Chris

Someone previously suggested that for a true level playing field all boats need to be the same and boats shouldn't over take others...

I'm saying that boats, sounders, whatever doesnt influence the behaviour of fish like this soundwave technology should.

But hey, I'm just a pleb

[Bobby Bass]

Come on man, you know I can't read sorry el'plebster

This thing really gets under my skin. I was just thinking if this thing develops well the fish will just swim up to the side of the boat and we can just pick the big ones. That's sounds like a fun sport that I want to pay money to go in comps for

Common guys, this needs to be stopped in its tracks, rediculous to even think its moral to use this in a comp. do whatever you want in your own time but when it's 25 grand comp you need to think about is this is cheating or not. I say you are cheating yourself and others by using this.

Cheers
Chris

[Madeye]

The price issue is moot.

A 360 degree sounder will cost 4 times as much as a hydrowave and no-one is suggesting they should be banned.



Good to see passionate debate from ethier side,
This just proves we all really do care about the sport we love.

[driftcorp86]

what a waste of money, bet it doesn't even work on bream tsk tsk

[CHUNQX]

Originally Posted by zaneofishing

i dont think wheather people can or cant afford it is even a factor really... its more the int of technology going to far in sports and it only takes something like this to ruin a sport or atleast put a ding in it.

We already see that in most professional sports.
You've got aerodynamic swimsuit to cut down water resistance and gain a few more seconds.
Tennis started out with the natural gut on wooden racquets and the skill involved to win is to outwit your opponent along with deft touches and delicate feel. Now, racquet and string technology has changed it into pretty a power game. No power, no win.
I watched some of the events at the Olympics like shooting, archery etc. These started out as means to hunt for food or weapons of war which in the right hands meant survival of the most skilled. Try using some of those specialised equipment for actual hunting or fighting...
I think the resistance to use technology in fishing comps is because most will probably not view fishing as a professional sport. I know I don't. I don;t even like the idea of entering comps. Fishing to me is about escaping the daily grind of office and home obligations.. to have a few hours (or few days if I'm lucky) away where I can go away from the crowds and try to figure out if I can trick a fish or 3 into biting a lure and essentially the basic endeavour of man vs nature. If I now have a device to switch them on and have them biting which requires bugger all skill to do, I might as well go to the market, hand over a wad of cash and surprise surprise, I have a bucket full of fish....

[zaneofishing]

madeye.. seeing a fish and changing the perception or mood of the fish a worlds away from eachother buddy...

[yellow door 1]

Embrace the inevitable fellas

[Madeye]

Originally Posted by zaneofishing

madeye.. seeing a fish and changing the perception or mood of the fish a worlds away from eachother buddy...

I think you have misunderstood my point. I was referring to the comments about the negativity around it being beacuse some people cant afford it.


Im on the apposed side

[topwater]

Originally Posted by CHUNQX

We already see that in most professional sports.
You've got aerodynamic swimsuit to cut down water resistance and gain a few more seconds.
Tennis started out with the natural gut on wooden racquets and the skill involved to win is to outwit your opponent along with deft touches and delicate feel. Now, racquet and string technology has changed it into pretty a power game. No power, no win.
I watched some of the events at the Olympics like shooting, archery etc. These started out as means to hunt for food or weapons of war which in the right hands meant survival of the most skilled. Try using some of those specialised equipment for actual hunting or fighting...
I think the resistance to use technology in fishing comps is because most will probably not view fishing as a professional sport. I know I don't. I don;t even like the idea of entering comps. Fishing to me is about escaping the daily grind of office and home obligations.. to have a few hours (or few days if I'm lucky) away where I can go away from the crowds and try to figure out if I can trick a fish or 3 into biting a lure and essentially the basic endeavour of man vs nature. If I now have a device to switch them on and have them biting which requires bugger all skill to do, I might as well go to the market, hand over a wad of cash and surprise surprise, I have a bucket full of fish....

I like how you said that chunqx,
sonicburley gizmo (aka hydrowave) just dosent appeal to most of us as it defies the fundamental reasons we enjoy the sport...

simple.

[Riggers]

Originally Posted by zaneofishing

bobbys on the money. as fishing evolves as a sport so must its anglers this is fair but the technology side of things should only be aloud to be evolved so much in our sport or it wont be much of a sport at all.

every sport has its banned substances or equipment why should fishing be any different? hydrowave should be the start of this movement.

its the skills and senses that you learn and put to pactrice that evolve you as an angler and it should stay that way not flicking a switch. a few people have mention sounders ect, sounders simply show you the image depth contrast temp or whatever it maybe your after they do not in anyway change the fishs perception way of thinking or mood. youv heard of sight casting or sight fishing? why not go sight fishing with your hydrowave...? same deal..

Well put..... +1. I think that we already have more than enough technology to catch the little buggers. I say we need to give them half a chance.

[Steve Morgan]

Firstly: Yellow door - LMAO.

Secondly: Here's a logical argument.

1. I know where all of the rock piles are on the Donnybrook flats - found after years of fishing, trial and error, and bumping into them with crank baits. I can line them up with marks on the bank.

2. Interstaters turn up for the Grand Final and make one pass of the flat with the Side Scan units and can mark every rockpile with GPS, after finding the flats on Google Earth.

3. Sidescan and GPS should be banned - it should take years of experience to locate those fish, because I think that finding bream is harder than catching bream. Because that's where I want to draw the line.

I don't see anyone arguing about sonar and GPS - anymore. 20 years ago, GPS was to be the great evil which wrecked fish stocks. Yes, I remember that and was around then.

"But," you say, "having a Hydrowave will make the fish line up at the side of the boat so I can pole in five in five casts with no skill at all."

I'll disagree. And I have evidence to back it up.

Here's my ABT tournament results for 2012. For your convenience, I'll split them into two lots.

(A) Before I got a Hydrowave.

GLENELG RIVER 5 2.17 5 3.27 10 5.44
MALLACOOTA 5 4.16 5 3.45 10 7.61
DERWENT 5 5.27 5 3.92 10 9.19
ALBANY 5 2.78 5 2.4 10 5.18
ST GEORGES BASIN 5 3.28 5 2.54 10 5.82

SUMMARY: 50/50 bream = 100%.

(B) After I got a Hydrowave.

TWEED RIVER 5 2.02 2 1.05 7 3.07
LAKE MAC 5 2.20 5 2.86 10 5.06
BRIBIE ISLAND 1 0.27 1 0.46 2 0.73
BRIBIE ISLAND GF 5 2.00 5 2.04 11 4.41

SUMMARY: 30/45 bream = 67%.

So, you'll have to agree that there's some sort of robustness in my assertion that I'm actually weighing fewer bream in tournaments now that I have a Hydrowave fitted. Even if you remove the Grand Final (where my HW batteries were flat), the percentage remains pretty much the same (19/30 = 63%).

Hence my opinion that I think that you should experience one before dying in a ditch about the theory of it all after looking at a website.

Thirdly: Haven't seen so much pre-release publicity since Steersy's crab!

Cheers,

SM