Stacer Hulls

[Rono]

I am looking at buying a Stacer 435 SF Barra Elite has anybody got one of theses or no's a bit about them for a Bream boat.
How do they go in choppy conditions? Are they to big? etc

[Bear]

Rono,
I think Don has one of these. Not as wide as the Stessls or Quintrex, but not a bad boat. He may be able to give you a bit more info.

HTH.

[Rono]

Thanks Bear hope to hear from Don soon

[dantheman]

They are made by Quintrex if you didnt know

[Bear]

I know they are out of the same factory, but not sure as to whether they are exactly the same boats.

[Simon Goldsmith]

The Stacer hull in question is the old Quintrex Hornet hull from the Millenium hull series.

A great hull and in most cases cheaper than the Quinnies.

Regards

Simon.

[browndog]

Yeah Bear is right although they are built in the Quintrex factory and they arent the same hull. They arent quite as wide or nor do they have the the eclipse hull which has made a hell of a difference the choppy waters or when anchored in a bit of a swell. Although Stacers are made at the Quintrex factory there is normally more differnce to than meets the eye. Telwater Make a effort to make the boats difference so that they can get two bites at cherry so to speak. They cover the top of the range with Quintrex and have the mid range covered with Stacer. In the normal dinghies it is sometimes a bit hard to tell or see the difference but in the Hornet series and the upper range such as Runabout , centre consoles etc there is quite a few differences
Your local Quintrex dealer should be able to sway you toward the premier product. ( i hope) I am a firm believer in that model the Quintrex performs well above the Stacer specially i the chop.

[dantheman]

Bear i wasn't meaning you, just checking if the guy who was asking about them knew.

[Rono]

I dident no that they came out of the same place. The stacers are a bit cheaper and if it dosent make that much difference in the way they handle I would prefer to buy the Stacer and the extra money I save I can buy a better electric motor.

[browndog]

Yeah Rono,
It will be a similar ride , there is nothing really wrong with the Stacer at all, however the Quintrex with the Eclipse hull and bit extra width and weight will perfrom better. The price difference should not be enough to buy a Electric motor, make sure that they are optioned up the same. Stuff like Live bait tanks and , fish finders come satnard with Quintrex, realise that you can order the quintrex with out those thing to get the price alot closer. When the options are the same the price difference should only be in the hundreds, which makes the Quintrex pretty good buying, with the better ride and superior resale value. Either way they are both good boats , but maybe go the little further and in the long term i am SURE you will be infront.

[Stephen Wilson]

Hi there Rono,
i wish the boys would do more homework before they start quoting figures if they read the latest brouchers from stacer and quintrex they would know that the stacer is 2cm wider than the hornet and weighs 10kg more and with the EVO hull on the stacer when you get into some chop you can trim the bow up as the transom end has more 'V' than a hornet which needs to have the bow down to get the best out of the hull in chop and the money saved will move you up to a riptide auto pilot MK instead of cable steer MG. maybe even an upgrade in the sounder as well hope this helps as there is a lot of hornet goggles on out there:D :D

[don]

I have a Stacer 435 sf Barra Elite.I have been very happy with it. It works great in the chop.I too looked at the Quintrex and on price and my budget I went with the Stacer,

I brought mine in Nov. last year and the prices were .

Stacer with 40 Mariner 2stroke ready to go package $13400.

Quintrex with 40 Honda 4stroke same package $16700.
(only diff in pakage was a sounder.)
Diff in engine prices about $2000.

The boats are the same size (I just measured mine)

I guess it comes down to personal pref. and budget.

I spent 1600 on a minn kota ,1000 on a matrix 35x sounder and about 500 on a live well. I put an extra battery in the standard live well that comes with the boat and used all the plumping in my new live well which I fitted in the front hatch.All in all I think it has been a good pakage. It is a great size for the comps and goes great in the chop inshore fishing. I have only had it out about 15klms so far.

Which ever way you go make sure you get a wide body trailor with the pakage. I have the Dunbier wide body trailor and it makes it so easy to launch and retrieve the boat.

Hope that help and good luck with your choice.

rgds
Don

[don]

I also spent 500 on switches,lights and a solar panal.

[don]

Just to give you an idea of the trailer.
The boat does 27knts with full live well and 2 people

[Rono]

Thanks everybody for the info I have learn't a heap about the boats which I dident no.

[browndog]

Stephen ,
Dont worry buddy I know my facts and have ridden in both brand of boats more than once. And as i keep saying both boats are good riding boats. Dont worry if you have any doubts about the the ride come down and i will gladly take you out against a stacer and show you the differnce specially on a choppy day and anchored in the swell. And on price
435 Quintrex Hornet Trophy (eclipse hull)
40h/p Yamaha 2 st
Dunbier wide body trailer
Minus X47 fish finder
Minus Live bait tank
Licesned on the water
$13650.00

Dont worry Rono what ever you will buy you will be happy with it . If you were in WA i would gladly take you for a ride and show and prove the diffence in rough conditions. Happy boating champ

[Rono]

Hi browndog

I guess it comes down to personal prefrence. I dont no much about boats as this will be my first one. The peolpe with Stacers swear buy them and the people with Quintrex are the same.

[browndog]

Agreed champ, as i said which ever you decide to buy . you will be rapped in it. Happy boating big man

make sense to post the Sability (GZ) curves graphs for the tw hulls?

Both outta the same factory, surely the manufacturers have the original designs stability GZ curves graphs - then the answer can be verified at a glance rather than tsome subjective assessements from owners (sellers) of either brand/model?

I mean "someone" designed these things, there must be plans and those plans should have the GZ Stability curves data...

I think it's a legitimate ask - the guy wants to know about stability - why not post up the relevant graphs?

Makes sense to me - aferall - the naval architects who design these things in the first plave have the computer programs to design in certain stability characteristics, and they are recorded for surveying purposes etc - registering the hulls and ensuring they comply with Australia standards etc etc...

Why not let the consumer take a peek - and see what he's really gettinmg in term sof performance from the hull - things like displacement, draught, wetted surface area and so on might be of interest in the decision making process.

Outboards have all sorts of specifications on them to compare on to another - why not hulls?

It's all good info that can help the consumer as I see it.

Overall beam may NOT equate to stability for example!

A question I would ask (or a test you can perform yourself) is the standard incline test. Get the hull in the water tied alongside a jetty. get it;s rated passenger load to all standon one side at the one time.

Measure the freeboard.

Lets say the boat has 8 ft beam and with all it's passengers on the one side, it still has 1 foot freeboard...

Then it passes the standard invcline test (just).

It should have More than 1/8th the beam in clear freeboard with all it's rated passenger load on the one side at the one time.

It's ane asey test to perform with a tape measure and 3 or 4 people to assist.

Doesn't take but a minurte or two and in the absence of a published GZ stability curve....is a good indicator for a river boat of it's stability safety factor.

If it dont pass?....well - then you have to decide whether to buy it or not! ;)

GZ for anyone doesnt know - is the "righting lever" effect of the hulls inate stability. It's calaculated from the hulls metacentric height and Centre of Bouyancy... You might also consider LCG Longitudinal Centre of Gravity.

Cheers!

[Rono]

Trouty I would have to agree with you 100% but they won't give out that imformation because they don't want you building your own boat to there enginered design they won't you to buy there hull.