HL-Z 682LFS-ti 2-4lb Spin Midge direct

[patma]

Hi all,
I just brought a HL-Z 682LFS-ti 2-4lb Spin Midge direct
rod, it is lovely. But the max lure size of this rod is 3/16oz
only, just wonder is that include the SP or just the jig??
Please help, as I love this rod a lot and don't want to break it.
And for a rod like this thin will it break by a big flathead??
Thanks

[Nath_18]

Hey bigma dont worry about flathead people on this site catch Mulla's on there Bream gear. Thats a nice rod you got there how much did it sting you???

chears, Nathan

[patma]

The rod cost me $269. I see most of the people here use 6' 1-3 kg rod , just wonder will my rod is too light?? as it is only for 1- 1.8 kg.

[Angry]

A long as your drag is set correctly and you treat the rod with the respect a light unit deserves, there is no reason it should break on larger fish, the fight may last longer because of the lower drag settings, but with care you should be able to land good size fish.
Not sure about the lure weight, but would think its the total weight of the lure. maybe someone else can provide more info on that.

[Dave W]

You will love that rod for plastic work - if I didn't have a sponsorship setup for my gear that is one of the first rods I would buy.

You should be able to flick unweighted plastics a mile using 4lb Fireline and an appropriate reel.

The 3/16 Oz bit refers to total weight of the lure.

If you treat it well you'll have no problems, and it will probably account for some massive fish - but remember when fighting them not to lift the rod too high, good graphite tends to go bang under those conditions ;)

Hope this helps,

[patma]

Thanks for the information, but i try the rod yesterday, when i try to cast it the longest i can cast is around 15-20 m?? Is there any tips for casting?? I am using a Daiwa Laguna 1000 reel and 4lb fireline, 1/16 jig. Please help!!! Cos I try whole day in Bobbin head, and only have a small flathead.......

[Dave W]

20m isn't too bad - many people seriously over-estimate how far they are actually casting.

If you think about the length of a 50m swimming pool (something most of us can relate to) how far along would you cast? 1/2? a bit more??

I can punch out a 1/16 Oz 30m fairly regularly, forget about it if there's wind in your face.........

A couple of things to look at - is your spool fairly full (within 2-3mm from the lip)? Do you thoroughly wash your line out after you go fishing (the salt build up on Fireline will definitely hinder casts)?

Spend heaps of time practising as well, a slight change in technique can give big rewards in distance, but it's hard to know without seeing you cast.

Cheers,

[patma]

Thank so much Dave, but would u like to tell me when u cast ur SP what is the lenght between the SP and the tip of the rod?? should i keep it short or long?? Cos when i cast it, i leave it around 20cm is it ok??

[Dave W]

It depends on the type of cast you are doing - if it's just a straight 'over the head' kind of cast 20cm is O.K. Try it a bit longer and see if it makes a difference.

The key is to make sure you load the rod up. It's very hard to describe the actual techniques involved.............

If you're anywhere near the Parra River on Sunday I'd be happy to give you a few pointers :)

[patma]

Thanks Dave I will try it after work today in Kissing point wharf in parra river to see how it goes. Fishing on sunday in Parra river good idea, will let u know if i go on sun. But i don't have a boat....... I think i need to save more $$ for a boat.....

[Dave W]

No worries - if you do go out on Sunday let me know approximately where you'll be at what time. I'll be in the boat and can track you down no worries :)

[Bassifier]

The problem here Patma is your reel.
The regular 1000 Daiwa models are far to large in spool diameter Vs stripper guide placement on that particular rod.
The loops that are leaving your spool are so big that they are developing excessive line speed slowdown as they are trying to fit through a small and closely placed stripper guide.

The Midge really deserves a shimano sized 1000, or a Daiwa Luvias 1500 max to get the distance out of it.


Hope this helps,
Richard.

[patma]

Thanks for ur info Richard, but do u mean that I need a reel with a smaller spool diameter ?? And if possible would u like to tell me what is diameter Vs stripper guide mean?? cos i am a beginner for fishing i duno a lot of these terms......

[Bassifier]

Yes, for that rod you need a reel with a much smaller diameter spool.

When you cast, the line leaves the reel in coils that are relevant in size to the spool diameter, they then get slightly larger before tightening down to virtually nothing as they enter the stipper guide.
This is what should happen for good casting distances... but in your case, due to your spool diameter, it is not.

What is happening in your case, is the loops leaving your reel are too large for the stripper guide to cope with effectivly.
Ie, as those loops hit the stripper guide they are creating a lot of resistance which in turn slows the line speed down.

Low line speed = short casts.

The stripper guide on that particular rod is designed for ultra small reels.
Ie, its a small diameter ring, and is in close proximity to the reel seat.

You will be fine with that reel if you dont mind the shortened casting distances.

But, mate that rod is an absolute gem, do it, and yourself a favour and get at least a Shimano Stradic 1000 for it.:)

Hope this helps,

Richard Robson.

[patma]

Richard , thanks so much! I think I will go to have a look for Shimano Stradic 1000 ih this weekend, any other good reel other this one?? Actullay when a brought my Daiwa Laguna 1000
this is the smallest reel available in the shop.... poor me waste $160........

[Bassifier]

I personally would only get the Stella or Sustain 1000, but if you are after Daiwa then get the Luvias 1500.
Now these are not cheap reels, but they are quality.

If you want cheaper, then go for the Stradic 1000,(make sure its the new model) still an excellent reel but moderatly priced.

Tight lines mate.

Richard.

[Bassifier]

By the way, if you want rid of that HLZ let me know as I have a buyer:D

Richard Robson.

[patma]

I think there is some more heartland z stock in the thornleigh shop, can't remember the model no, but one is my one, the other one is hl-z 581 xxxxxxx anyway they are
$269 each, i still saw in last week.

[lowrider]

Mate!!! The rod rules, just be really careful with the tip when changin lures or realeasing fish super fragile.
on the fish thing... check this photo a picture tells a thousand words.

[Traveller]

I'm thinking about getting the daiwa airity 1500, how does it compare to the stella's? I have a stella 2500AR and am thinking about getting either an airity or another stella but smaller size... I also heard Daiwa is releasing a new model called Certate but I haven't heard more........

I also use a very light rod, a HLZ and Megabass.... Dave with your comment of not lifting the rod too high when fighting fish... should I keep the rod less than vertical or no more than vertical?

[Traveller]

BTW, where did u get that rod patma? where is thornleigh?

If you have the cash...Go the Airity over the Stella IMO.
An awesome reel!;)


Dave

[patma]

I get my rod in sydney 2 months ago, i love it so much !!
I match it up with a daiwa laguna 1000, a very small reel.
i try the stella but i think it is too big... my laguna is just fit the rod!!! the rod is very light I can feel every touch from the fish!!
But I didn't get any big bream at the moment ( the biggest for this rod is 31 cm ), so there is no problem to land the fish at all.

Patma

[Robert B]

Here pics of the Daiwa reel Traveller was talking about Along with the new stella Mag model comming out from Tokyo Fishing Show.

CERTATE 2500R-CUSTOM I'ZE FACTORY
Sale schedule : March
Price : JPY45,000

Not I'ZE FACTORY MODEL
CERTATE 1500:JPY38,000
CERTATE 2000:JPY38,500
CERTATE 2500:JPY39,000
CERTATE 3000:JPY40,000
CERTATE 3500:JPY41,000
CERTATE 4000:JPY42,000


Shimano 2004 Stella Magnesium (confirmed)



Sales starts in June??

Oscillation speed is fastened from 1/6 of 2002 model to 1/4.

Body, magnesium alloy.



Cheers,
Rob

[madsurfe]

Hi Patma

the Daiwa laguna is indeed a very small reel with a spool diameter between 30-35mm. Compared to a Laguna 1500 with a spool diameter of 45mm. Richard (Bassifier) was spot on about the loop size affecting casts but in this case you already have an extremely small spool. You would gain very little from another reel other than perhaps lighter weight and perhaps a worm drive that lays line better on the spool. The worm drive may gain you a couple of metres on the cast but in this size reel the effect will be minimal.

[patma]

Hi madsurfe,
thanks for the info.
:)