Future Boat(about 5 years time)

[afiedler]

Guyz,

Just want to get some insight of what you guyz think of this sort of setup to be used for a bit of bream and a lot of bass in impoundments -

Unreal Boat (http://www.rangerboats.com/pages/boats/185.cfm)

That with a 175hp Mercury Optimax

What you guyz reckon???

Cheers,

Aaron

[Bear]

For another Aussie boat, check out the Stessl Bass Boss.

http://www.stesslboatgroup.com.au/

[chris_lemess]

... or for a true Aussie fiberglass bass boat that can go offshore, rides smooth, and can be decked out however you want inluding like those bass boats; see http://www.fullboarboats.com
The website doesn't do them justice but they are sweet boats to fish out of... and FAST!

[afiedler]

Guyz,

I have seen a fair few of the bass bosses and just don't like them ey, there is something about them that just doesn't look right to me, and the full boar ones are just not the shape i am looking for, and everything i have heard about Ranger is good, cept for the weight of fiberglass but i can deal with that. The setup i want should get fairly hooking, and it will be the ideal setup for bass tournament fishing with all the rod lockers the running rod rack, big livewell and best of all the built-in esky lol.

Cheers,

Aaron

[Bear]

Fair enough Aaron. What's the cost to bring in one of these beasties?

[chris_lemess]

Try getting a Ranger in to Australia...! Let me know when and how you did it!

What is not right about the shape of the full boar? You won't find a better shaped hull for what you want to use it for. Rock solid stable and cuts through the water like you wouldn't believe. Weighs less than equivalent sized aluminium boat (no wood in the framework).

[afiedler]

Guyz i have been told i can get the hull for around $25,000 au. Which is alright considering the worksmanship in it. I would buy the motor over here for sake of warranty and peace of mind. Chris i have been talking to ranger(actually Genmar) about the possibility of getting ranger boats into australia. And it has already been done actually. The shipping would cost around $2000 although i am not sure what sort of taxes would be applied.

cheers,

Aaron

[zimeric]

ranger has the best hull design in the business...
no body comes close!!! widebeam, stablity, planing pad is really small, meaning less energy needed to push the boat forward, even though its heavy,in my opinion they run far better than alum boats and the extra weight does have an advantage that they dont get blown around like leaves in the wind.

and lastly but not least they look downright fantastic!!! :p :D :p

[afiedler]

I like the way u think zimeric, I reckon they are the best on the market to.

Cheers,

Aaron

[zimeric]

aaron if you want to drool check out http://gamblerboats.com

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:


jaw dropping stuff i tell you!!

but hey you pay big dollars for these!

Spent a day fishing from a Ranger a couple of years back, would not give you two bob for one:D Hewes boats are far better

Chris have you been in a Fullboar?

Cheers Samurai

[Brett W]

Available here in OZ:

http://www.conceptmarine.com.au/

[afiedler]

Gambler boats are SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!

Brett i fished outta Mike Connoly's X16 at boondooma and it was fast and good to fish out of but i want something a little flasher and slightly larger. But still a very nice setup he had.

Cheers,

Aaron

Now this is a Boat, 100% pure litght tackle machine, not a bass disco boat:D

Again

[chris_lemess]

Yes Samurai I fished out of one during the GF prefish. Very sexy craft. That was the 6.1m and it was bloody huge. It was the boat Geoff Spads used during the comp and he reckons he had it in less water than he could get his 3.85 Edgetracker in.

[zimeric]

samurai i quite like the centre consol

would be sweet fishing flats for bonefish or barra in that config

still a gambler puts all boats to shame im afraid to say!

[jimi]

Wow, you fished out of a Hewes sportfisher? They are the boats that really opened up flats fly fishing for redfish, bonefish and tarpon in Florida. Now that would be a serious fishing machine.

Unlike bass boats these things are designed for serious saltwater conditions, and they still go bloody fast.

Check out http://www.pathfinderboats.com/hewes/skiffs/redfisher_18.htm

James.

Hi Jimi, yeah a couple of mates of mine in NQ have them, one is the redfish 18 and the other one is the sixteen footer.

Cheers Samurai

[Brett W]

Hewes - now we are getting serious, yes please for this little black duck - though i can do without the white .:D

[chris_lemess]

No Jimi I fished out of a Full Boar.
This is getting confusing.
or did you mean Samurai?

BTW it looks like the Hewes are constructed like the Full Boars. All hand-laid fibreglass with no wood anywhere. Equivalent weight to aluminium.

[jimi]

Sorry Chris, I was referring to you, I thought you meant the Hewes ('cause your reply was after Samurai put up the Hewes pics). Yep, this is confusing, too many different conversations going on :confused: :D

Yep on the construction too. Most new fibreglass boats are going this way now. It saves a lot of weight and extends the life of the boat since there is no wood to rot.

[Dror]

A few years ago I saw some Ranger bass boats at the Brisbane boat show. A couple of guys were importing and selling them. They are hollywood although I cant say I`m keen on the glitter paint. I never saw anything about them after that. I fell in love with the Fullboar boats when I was at the Sydney boat show this year. The quality of finish is better than anything I have seen before. Am seriously considering buying one of these for my next boat. Love the Hewes boats.
Ahh so many to choose from. Now where`s that winning lotto ticket.

Drooling as I`m typing.
Dror

This is quite possibly the second fastest comp boat in Aust, it started life a haines then had 20 inches add to the transom, has a tunnel type hull at the rear which allows it to run in 2 inches of water.

The motor is a fully blue printed and worked 90 hp Tohatsu, runs on race fuel, the fastest is a plate hull boat out of Townsville, it has a fully worked 115 Tohatsu also runs on race fuel.

[jimi]

Nice.

I see that Haines has got a new protoype bream/bass/inshore boat along the lines of the Southwind stealth (looks a bit like the pic above). Starlo was using it in an episode of Hooked on Adventure when they were fishing in Shark Bay.

Ahh gee, yet another sweet boat to choose from. And one that has some rough weather capability if you need a more general purpose boat. :p

We might be a bit slow in NQ, but our barra boats are fast:D hell we were tricking out boats for barra long before the southern pussy bass boys:D

Samurai

[torvic]

Hey guys

To what extent can these full boars go offshore? My dad says $16k+ for a river only rig is too much, but if it has offshore capabilities then....;)

[chris_lemess]

Torvic - depends on the conditions. I was down at Cott Groine casting for tailor this morning, and I would have taken my 12ft dingy out today. It was glass all the way to Rotto with a .5m swell. The guy that makes the Boars told us he's taken them 30 miles offshore to chase dolphinfish etc. If you want an ocean-going boat, this isn't it, but for a tournament boat that can cruise round the Exmouth Gulf, or do sportsfishing in the estuaries up north, the Full Boar will do it. It has the performance of any other barra boat really - ie. can do trips offshore, but you wouldn't buy it solely to do this. And you're looking at twice the price you mentioned.

cheers

[Bear]

$16,000 still has you at around the price of Ira's new Edgetracker fully kitted with everything. It's all up from there.

[torvic]

Woah, serious stuff we're looking at here...

Think the better option is to go for a nice little punt first and get the hang of things, upgrade later :p

How do the JMT Bass boats compare to these - performance, specs and price wise?

[Craig_S]

Torvic, surely you're not suggesting the JMT is a "nice little punt" lol.

Timmsy will rip your head off, he thought he was buying a rocket ship.

[torvic]

Ahah no, the nice lil punt is the 3.85 edgetracker I'm looking at !

The JMT can be a possible upgrade

:D ;)

[dantheman]

Samurai.
You said they run on race fuel. For a fishing boat dont you think that is a bit over the top. yeh it might be fast and fun to drive but the race fuel would be harder to get and cost more, also since they are so tricked up. wouldnt they break down more,
ive learnt from my moto x racing the more it has done the more it has that can go wrong.
just my thoughts,

Cheers Dan:D

[chris_lemess]

Torvic - you want a nice little boat? I've been in a few now and the few that stood out were the 4m Quintrex Hornet Trophy with a 40 on the back, and the Edgetracker in both sizes. I'd be looking at the 385 for a first boat - perfectly functionable with its wide beam and rated to 50 if I'm not mistaken. The smaller Hornet flies along and cuts through chop well, and Ira seems to like the Edgetracker ride, even though I've heard that when the chop gets up it doesn't compare to the Hornet ride.
There are so many differing opinions though - I'm steering away from a Hornet because in the larger sizes they're made out of damned thin pressed alloy, have been having hull-cracking problems, need a hell of a lot of horses to push them, and have a hefty price tag. I've heard similar things about the Edgetrackers, both old and new versions.

There pretty much aren't any compromises with boats unfortunately...!

[torvic]

Yeah the 385 edgetracker seems the go atm. Looking forward to finding one of these soon...just have to get the tee out of the way first :rolleyes:

Hi Dan, I could ask the same question about breamin, is'nt it a bit over the top to spend $30000 on a boat just to catch bream:D or $500 for a flimsy easy to break rod just to catch bream:D to each their own:)

Cheers Samurai

Dan, maybe I should explain, these boats are comp boats only, because of the distances we cover, we need to get there fast.

Take Hinchinbrook Channel, it's 52ks long and has over a 150sq ks of creeks and river, because tides play such a big part in barra fishing and the fact that we have up to 6mt tide drops, you maybe at one end of the channel fishing a particular snag and have maybe only 20 or so mins to fish it, then be twenty ks away at another spot at a certain time of the tide.

Also on the first day of the Hinchinbrook C&R Tournament there is a mad scramble to be the first boat to Haycock Is, which is about 25ks up the channel from the start. Being first there carries a lot of prestiege.

Cheers Samurai

[Tony]

Have e-mail Samuri a pic I found on tradeing post but could not get it to load.

Here are the details but no pic.


BASS BOAT IMPORTED, 18ft Thunderbird, 200hp Johnson, Evinrude foot control bass motor, hydralic steering, depth finder, 2x air live tanks, rod boxes, ski pole, Nice looking boat, excellent cond $19500ono (0400)161660 denlynb@bigpond.net.au Middle Park

It is in tradeing post site under boats ,just click on the letter "b " for a quicker way to find it.

[Tony]

try this??

[Bear]

Chris,
If you were comparing Tournament hull to Trophy hull then it might be a more fair comparison, but Ira's boat is the std tinny hull painted.

Big difference. A better comparison would be Craig S Explorer against my old Edgrtracker. There is no one in the Wa fleet with a Edgetracker Tournament hull.

Torvic,
I believe the new hull from Mark at JMT wil be around $13,000-$14,000 with no engine or electric. I'm not sure of the exact configuration yet. Mark will give us more info soon.

Torvic,

The new hull will be the same length as mine but will have a 2m beam (mine is 1.85m).

Prices aren't confirmed yet, but will be closer to $15k or so. This will be everything already done except for outboard, leccy motor and fishsounder (will include a trailer as well). The transom can support a decent outboard, maybe up to a 130hp (mark will confirm this).

Samurai, I know you've been involved with the design, maybe you can enlighten us a bit more about the new hull.


cheers

Hi Timsy, Mark is coming around home tomorrow afternoon, will get details, he has some pics of another boat he built for me as well. I will let you know tomorrow night.

Cheers Samurai

Tony, is that boat in Brisbane? looks sort of familar

Samurai

[dantheman]

Samurai.
O hk i see what you mean now,
Thats understandable
I would never buy a 30 grand boat just for breamin either,
I like to fish for anything that goes hard, jacks and trevs , i love them,
thanks for the reply,
Cheers Dan;)

Nice Rig, but don't think I'd like to hit a rock bar at full noise in it:D

[Tony]

Originally posted by Samurai
Tony, is that boat in Brisbane? looks sort of familar

Samurai

It may be Brisbane ,it was in the QLD part of the trade post.

Never heard of the boat though.?

[Captain]

Mate if you have the monies go for it, I would love one of these ranger boats I'd go the Special Edition Tournament one.
These things are a work of art and the they go.
Don't know how they would handle Australian conditions but heck if you turned up to a Bream or Bass comp with one of these on the trailer you'll defintley make some heads turn.

Cheers
Captain

[Bear]

As Trouty has mentioned b4, you're going to get a wet bum in one of these. The Galvins boats out of Broome are the goods and they are about to release a 4.5m Breamin boat.

[zimeric]

i beg to differ

ive fished from a ranger and similar boats on many occasions

they are stable as, and very water resistant
we used to fish in lake kariba which is essentially an inland sea and we rode 4-5 foot waves and 2M plus swell's no problems whatsoever

the most amazing thing about driving one of these is the way they take corners... they dont turn into thewater like a deep v hull but rather turn flat on their axis.... when you do a high speed corner the g-forces are quite serious but exhilerating all the same, i cant say its very safe as ive seen someone get shot from his pedestal seat when the guy that was driving let go of the steering to catch a lifevest , he was like a bullet from a gun!!
funny to watch but the poor bugger was bruised all over from hitting the water at 70kph, lucky he didnt break his neck.

[Captain]

I personally don't mind the 6m Stessl Bass boss (not so much the smaller ones) I think these could be set up to be very similar to those american bass boats maybe a bit more suited to Australian conditions too.
Although I have never seen one in person I am seriously considering one of these for a future boat, I've heard they're fast and a stable boat, probably good for chasing pelagics in the bay on a good day. As well as your standard breamin and bassing.
I think it would suit my style of fishing well.

Except electric only dams, probably a bit big for that.

Cheers
Captain

[afiedler]

Guyz,

How fast do those boasts go that are suped up with racing fuel??? is it really worth going all out with the fuel??? Mike connolys does around 90km and it seems like it is absolutely hooking. After seeing the gambler's nuthin comes close now. In the end i was have a setup that will have a top speed of around 110-120km with two people and fall livewells.

Can't wait till i get the money,

Aaron

[Bear]

These forums sure do have an impact.

Been talking to a guy at work who's son is an jr. at Seaquest here in Perth. He gets talking to them and they are VERY keen to get a local product going. Has a look at the discussions and this is right up his alley.

God I love this sport.

Looked at the hound dogs that Noddy and Crano have been helping develop?

They are seriously nice boats, theres no two ways around it, - they are designed by renowned Geraldton naval architect / designer John Fitzharding of "Southerly Designs".

You can look at photos etc at the web site

http://www.redbackweb.com.au/hounddog/index.html

http://www.redbackweb.com.au/hounddog/images/Mvc-014f.jpg

Same guy Southerly Designes created this new 40 knot 48ft cray boat fro a guy I know in Geraldton, which is almost exactly the same lines. Trying real hard to get up there for a fortnight out at the Abrolhos in March to see how the new boat goes and hopefully catch a few fish as well.

I also think Galvs from Broome makes a great boat as well.

Theres lot of nice boats about - affording them is the only hassel.

Cheers!

[chris_lemess]

Going back a few posts-->
Bear or Timsy - has Mark given you any idea of prices for the new JMT? Would the hull be around 15k fully decked out (minus leccie etc.)? If so I guess you'd be looking at about 33-34k with a sizeable outboard (90hp?) and electric?
Trying to price a few boats for my dad's mate.

cheers

That price also includes a custom made full alloy trailer:D and best of all the hull not made from fibre glass:D

Cheers Samurai

[chris_lemess]

Ah, so it's down to the old invincible alloy vs. inferior fibreglass again? :D I'd say after watching a bloke unsuccessfully hack into his 'glass boat so viciously with a hammer, I'm likely to weigh up both options instead of automatically excluding 'glass.

The problem is Chris, is that when one goes boating the last thing your likely to run into on the water is a hammer:D

Cheers Samurai

[chris_lemess]

What about an oyster rack? Smacking down on one of them would give most 'glass boats the sh!ts... the bloke who owned the boat didn't seem to care!

Look Chris, let me ask you one simple question, are you saying that a fibre glass boat is stronger than a plate alloy boat?

Samurai

[zimeric]

the glass boat probably will punture whereas the plate alloy will dent but , if you want run around using yer boat like a bumper car then sure, go for the aluminium

but for those of us that take care and pride ourselves on a spotless paintwork then the glass boat is fine and then there is the acoustics - ever dropped a heavy(not too heavy of course) metal object on the open deck of an alum boat?
...... :(
the birds from 500 M away spook man, imagine what that does to the fish?

[Evan]

or better yet buy a plastic boat...... :D

coupled with a 4st my poly 410 is the quietest boat i have ever been in, handles like a dream super stable and wont cost you the earth like certain plate / glass hulls will.

super strong too... there is no way a plate / glass hull would stand up to some of the tests that have been done on the poly...

JMO

Evan

[chris_lemess]

No Samurai, wasn't saying that - simply that the tests done on this particular glass hull impressed me to the extent that I know what was done couldn't have been done on my little Quintrex.
I'm not going to argue such an age-old topic any further! :o

I reckon I can sum up this whole thread.

In the words of Tyson Dethridge (creator of Full Boar Boats) "people only ever go bigger and faster, no one ever buys a smaller slower boat than their last one."

Go hard and go fast.............

I'll back Chris Lemess and say that the Full Boar boats (glass) are without question stronger than a plate alloy boat. Ring the guys at Full Boar and ask them..........

Yeah right Ira:p :p :p


Samurai

Well some one said just ask them (full boar), so I did. I just got off the phone after talking with full boar. I put the question to them, are their boats stronger than a plate boat and the answer they gave me, and I quote " Our boats compere favourably with a plate boat" unquote.
I think there might be a slight difference between being saying stronger than a plate boat and being as full boar said, compere favourably with a plate boat:D


Have A Nice Day, Samurai

[chris_lemess]

Samurai - I never said they were stronger than plate boats and I never would. 4mm plate boats are rock solid things! To "compare favourably" is certainly enough for me when it'll ride much softer and be of equivalent / lighter weight.