7 crates of blackies

[Quietachiever]

bad news for the Kalgan this season:mad: we now have four nett setters in oyster harbour(albany)& over the weekend they killed the pig or goldy,which ever way you want to look at it there are seven less large fishing creates of sooty grunters left in the king & kalgen rivers & the netters say this is the best fill up in years because of the flush of rain we had last week.Most of the fish seen were well over 39cm not to mention the mullaway.Last week I fished 100klm east of albany for a second time the freakin river was full of nets:confused: What does the fisheries do?What does calm do?why dont they try & rehabilitate the places that they have already stuffed up by allowing people to net them?In actuall fact shouldn`t we be able to sew these depts for thier gross mismanagement of our rivers & esturies?

what can anyone do.

The Authorities would have you believe they ARE fixing the problem, they are creating "marine parks" to kick all us lousey recreational anglers OUT of systems so we CAN'T see what a monumental stuffup of managing the place they are doing!:mad:

Do anglers give a round rats touche?..

Apparently not if the apathy that ppears to be evident here is anything to go bye! :rolleyes:

Now theres a challenge, anglers - prove ol trouser trout wrong bye LISTING below, the number of you who've actually bothered to email the minister for environment Judy Edwards about the marine parks fiasco!

Lets see the show of hands eh?

Who here cares enough about the future of the resource and your angling rights to get off ya backsides and send an email!!!!

My guess is we won't see even 3 replys who say they have sent anything!!!! :rolleyes:

Cheers!

[Bear]

Ye of little faith.

Both on netting and on marine parks.

Even suggested a segment for Denton on the ABC :D

[Craig_S]

Me too Bear, though I wasnt creative enough to think of Denton.

Unhappily, I think that letter writing is not going to do the job but...pretty easy for them to respond with a standard letter and then do nothing else:(

[madfish]

I've got bleeding fingers I've typed out that bloody many, but I'm with Craig I think letters do nothing(just get the pleb out the front to type the standard reply) we have to get media attention on this. But Trouty's right we are a bunch of lazy bastards, if we could get all 500,000 of us on side. Now there's some pull, I'm sure our premier would be bending over backward if he could secure 500,000 votes from the rec-angler.

Halsey

[Bear]

I'm not an AM listener, but do they still have the 'Chat with the Premier' on the radio. I think it was Liam Bartlett. Get a few of us to call in and make sure he knows where we stand.

[Bear]

Get the guys at Stateline again and get some air time.

They did for Ira b4 so why not now??

[Tim Richards]

Fellas

882 6PR 9.05am until 9.30am Tuesday mornings, I just looked on their website. I am more than willing to ring but am not totally abreast the whole topic, maybe a couple who are could ring. Probably a good idea to ring a bit early as I would imagine quite a few may try to get in a limited timeslot.

Tim




TUESDAY

9.05 - 9.30 - Your chance to speak to Premier Geoff Gallop in our exclusive "Ask the Premier" segment

[Full Waders]

Well Trouty, I'll go down as the fourth writter of letters. As you know I was threatened with my job with the netting issue. How many guys are on the site? Where is everyone. Can't you hear the whinging when we loose Walpole and the Cape to Cape (which includes the Blackwood downstream of Malloy Island).

Individually our letters have little meaning but if everyone here sends one in maybe Dr. Judy and Dr. Jessica may realize there are 5 or 6 hundred thousand anglers out there and they're not going to lie down and take it anymore.

Getting a media bloke or two on board is a great idea. Liam has gone to bat for rec fishos in the past- hopefully he'll stand up again. (never heard back from his office regarding Yarigidee aqauifier saga though).

I reckon a media stunt like a flotilla of bream boats is the answer. Just gotta select the best spot to get the news helicopters in for the arial shots.

You've been on the news a bit lately Trouty (rock fishing and again on the weekend regarding the crossing on the Blackwood). What have you got up your sleeve:D

Kev

[Quietachiever]

trouser trouty,trouser trouty
the politics involved in the marine park issue I think are barely related to my aperthy,unlike you- government employment took its toll on my willingness to table any grievences.I am very aware of how govt process works,coming from private enterprise to govt employment & happily back to private enterprise & away from beauracratic bullDohDohDohDoh.Some of us prefer to be alittle bit field activated.:D like I asked you once before.What can a CALM officer do if you have not taken anything????????or What can a net fisherman do if he returns & his net is gone time after time after time???? the same thing trouty sweet F.A. or hopefully find it nolonger viable ,oh! & I urge all you other aperthetic breamsters to grab the closest net to ya`s & yank it from that river or Inlet,cut the bastard into 50pieces for all I care cause you`ll be doing more good for your sooties existance than an aperthetic letter to an aperthetic politician.;)

Quiet Achiever (BP?) while I have a VERY soft spot for "affirmative action", those in the fishing media with a public profile to protect, seem to think I'm too much of a firebrand and loose canon, and I'm constantly told not to be so controversial, and not to encourage others to "take matters into their own hands" at least publicly or in writing like at web forums such as this.

The fact is I might pribvately "encourage anglers" to "take matters into their own hands" with regard to many issues about which I'm passionate.

The thing is BP (the quiet achiever) that I prefer to TRY to play them political buggers at their own game, because having been inside the organisation - I know the "unwritten rules" and "how the games played".

That means here, publicly at least, I try to encourage others to do whats considered "acceptable" behaviour within the normal political process.

Privately I "may" once perhaps in a fit of exuberance once suggested someone who finds a net should perhaps consider cutting it to shreds, deposit it on the bank, soak it in 2 stroke fuel and put a match to it (not in summer fire season of course. Definitely don't try this kids - much too dangerous and of course against the law!!).

I think it's probably against the law even to 'incite' others to commit a crime, publicly at least.

I prefer to suggest action "within the law" for the reason I wouldn't like to see anyone else get into strife for doing something I might suggest out of frustration.

The political protest method, isn't perhaps the most immediately effective tool (or the most personally satisfying) but it's all thats legally available to us which is why I would prefer that anglers pursued this route.

If we were all to take affirmative action, bye taking matters into our own hands and it brought anglers into disrepute in the press, then as far as I'm concerned it hasn't done much to sway public opinion in our favour. In fact it could swing public opinion against us even further.

If public opinion is in our favor - then there are "political consequences" for going against public opinion.

Thats the game Anglers have to win if they are to defeat the current flawed marine Parks planning process IMHO.

All of that said - I have a GREAT deal of personal "sympathy" (and to alimited extent some minor admiration) for those who DO have the 'bottle' to occasionally "take matters into their own hands" with affirmative action in a quiet behind the scenes manner.

There are however sometimes "potential consequences" as 'full waders' has alluded to in his post above...for even participating in the political process.

It shouldn't be like that - but sometimes it is.

Perhaps theres SOME circumstantial evidence, given the press reports cited, that one potential consequence might be one finds oneself as the centre of focus of attention by perhaps Govt law enforcement officers of one persuasion or another.
There seems to be a bi of that sort of thing about at the moment what with pelicans feeding etc

Thats ONE potential downside.

Another might be that one might find oneself the centre of attention of a private investigator hired bye the Govt (former disgraced policeman, convicted of a breach of the telecommunications act for illegally placing a listening device into the telephone system)...who suddenly shows up in your town and follows you around, trying to get the inside scoop on anything "suspect" you might be 'involved in' that could be used against you to shut you up.

Of course if you scoped the guy on the day he arrived - got his number and back tracked him - and made it known you were about to bust the issue wide open in the press - they MIGHT just back off realising they bit off more than they could chew - but then again they might not too. It all depends what they turn up - what they can "get on you".

I've seen "MOST" of the dirty tricks used at one time or another (thankfully not ALL against me), and made notes, names dates times and places and tried to learn from what I saw.

That and good relations with the press, is perhaps ones only "real" protection....

Even then - if they decide they going to get you anyway, then theres not much can be done and you have to also accept that probability sooner or later.

I could cite examples even name names dates and times - but that only seems to uspet folks more.

Lets just say i have enough politically damaging evidence (metaphoric 'ammo') put way for a rainy day to safeguard myself to a certain extent.

That said, I prefer to keep it stored away for a rainy day rather than use it all at once when it MAY not be needed.

I think it's called keeping your powder dry!. ;)

Cheers!

Kev,

Re You've been on the news a bit lately Trouty (rock fishing and again on the weekend regarding the crossing on the Blackwood). What have you got up your sleeve

To quote my ol mate Bullwinkle.
Look - nuthin up ma sleeve!
;)

If I told you what I have planned Kev, Then I'd have to shoot ya now wouldn't I? ;)

Yes, seem to have spent an inordinate amount of time talkin to the press and fronting the camera's of late (even this morning for Bsn Marg river Times)....must be my boyish wit, charm and good looks eh? :rolleyes: ;)

You know - Fisheries dept, I noticed, DID include something in their latest new bag limits brochure, about rock fishing safety to their credit (given recent events with rock fishing deaths).

That said they missed the chance to promote the key aspect I've been laboring to get across - that is - that the waters so cold when the SALMON are inshore that if you do fall in - it's the cold temperature that makes the water fatal.

The fact is SALMON only come inshore whern the warm Leeuwin current goes offshore and we get cold water inshore (<19 degrees C which is about 67f).

So - if your rock fishing for salmon - the water your fishing is much like say, fishing thru a hole in the ice in Canada (the dangers of which you being A Canuck Kev would fully appreciate!).

That water off the south coast in salmon season is fatally cold.

Theres no way without a floatation device (life jacket, rescue bouy, wetsuit) that a slightly built person can last much more than 3 hours in that water without drowning according to the immersion survivial tables used bye most marine rescue authorities around the world.

The body reacts to preserve core body temperature bye withdrawing blood supply from the extremitys to maintain core body temp for vital functions like heart and lungs.

First the fingers cease any feeling or to work and then cramp into a fist (here take this rescue rope and tie a knot round yourself!) :rolleyes:

Then the legs and arms stop working and you drown period.

Fact is a rescue boat is more than 3 hours steaming from most of the south coast anchorages like Augusta, Windy Harbour, Albany etc to most of the favourite remote rocks fishing platforms.

If your slightly built (a child for example) in that cold water without a flotation device, and more than 3 hours from a rescue vessel - then ANY fall into the water is basically fatal.

Anyone comming to the rescue is effectively on a body search and recovery mission, not a rescue.

Why do people think I'm so "down" on CALM for NOT installing angel rings after I RANG them following the Easter rock fishing tragedy at Blackpoint claimed 3 people from one family in my town, and they claimed to be too woried about potential liability law suits if the facilities were vandalised! :mad:

Then only a couple weeks ago it happened again this time at samon riocks near Albany. :mad:

This weekend it was 2 innocent kids in the cold Blackwood river water, due to penny pinching by Govt for adequate road safety funds to keep the bridge that was there for 120 years in a useable state of repair and giving us instead a second rate summer crossing that has now cost yet more innocent kids lives. :(

I've about had all I can take of this letting kids die in what are "preventable and foreseeable" accidents Kev, so I've decided to start "speaking out" publicly.

I am one of these people who just CAN'T sit idley by while innocent kids continue to die needlessly - doesn't matter if its by bombs in an illegal war in Iraq or drowning off the rocks of the southcoast or in a river crossing accident on the Blackwood.

I just have to come out swinging...I'm afraid.

Suffer the little children to come unto me.

Someone has to speak for the souls of those lost kids and I'm prepared to make myself even more unpopular (if thats possible) than I already am by tackling issues everyone else would sooner skirt arond for the sake of being politically correct.

Bugger that - I'd sooner save innocent kids lives whatever the political cost.

CALM sadly for them chose to try and fob me off after the Easter Tragedy at Blackpoint.

Thats was their first mistake.

Since then they just KEEP makin the same mistake - thinking I'll just go away...like hell - they have bought themselves a battle they WON'T win, because I HAVE to win for the sake of Future kids lives Kev.

If I have to bring down the entire Gallup Govt to save just ONE kids life Kev, then bugger me I'll do it, or die trying.

You know - when the Easter Rock tragedy happened Kev, I was down at the Donnelly Rivermouth fishing with my kids and bro in Law Flash, with a fully surveyed boat, qualified skipper, first aid quals...and a sattelite phone. I was sitting in a deck chair on the beach fishing for salmon not more than 15 minutes away from 3 people from my town who were drowning.

Did CALM or the Police or SES or anyone else call me on my Sat Phone to ask me to take the boat round to Blackpoint by sea 15 mins away and rescue those 3?

Nope - not one call did anyone make, First I knew about the tragedy was when we came home late that afternoon and saw the police vehicles outside Rons place.

I could have got to em in time Kev, I KNOW I could, if i'd just been given the chance and I wasn't!

Why wasn't I contacted? Who had a list of vessels and qualified skippers to assist?..Marine Transport Authority?...why not the local police?...when i USED to work for CALM I had all this information at my fingertips - a disaster management plan with a list of all the equipment peolle skills and experience available in the district to call on in an emergency, but i Guess thats what you get when you make qualified professionals redundant and replace them with volunteers!

Ya pay peanuts, you get monkeys pure n simple.

Youd think even the monkeys could make a simple telephone call when inniocent lives are at stake!!!!

Then this weekend has just topped it right off.

Boom gates removed, bad signage, penny pinching bye Govt and another 2 kids are dead. :(

If the Govt and CALM think I'm going away in a hurry they are sadly mistaken...I'm like them Blues Brothers Kev, I'm on a mission from God and woe betide anyone gets in my way and is the cause of another innocent kids life being needlessly lost that was preventable.

I wouldn't wanna be the dipstick who was THAT unfortunate...

CALMS Marine Parks failures is a minor issue for me that just happens to be a handy way to get them to 'sit up and take notice' in the hope we'll get some decent action on other more pressing issues of public safety.

As I see it, if CALM obviously can't handle basic things like their duty of care to fee paying national parks visitors - what chance they could manage our waterways and fishstocks via marine parks then?

They are obviously in serious trouble from a managment point of view. The mairne parks issue is just a symptom of a wider malady they are suffering IMHO.

Best as I can tell its the ol "they have their heads up their collective khybers disease syndrome", where they can't hear anyones elses ideas than their own...they have been reading their own propaganda so much they have made the mistake of actually believeing it.

They have got so pig headed they think they know it all...and they AREN'T Listening to anyone else and as a result kids are dieing needlessly.

Bugger that. Time to make a few changes! Kids lives are depending on it! If needs be I'll die trying!

Cheers!