The Tournament Lies

[Aust Angling]

It never seems to amaze me how Anglers just blatantly lie to protect there sponsorship deals.
This is why as a importer I refuse to sponsor any of these tournaments and have been very reluctant to sponsor any anglers.
I read these tournaments reviews written on the ABT BREAM website to utter disgust on how you anglers continue such practices.
This is also relevant to latest report for the grand final you anglers know who you are, as it all comes out later when I get told of who actually was using what.
How the tournaments committee can also allow such practices to continue shows how unprofessional it all really is.

[seamonkey]

Spam. Reported.

[bargeass]

Spam. Reported.

Cut him some slack, I think he makes a pretty fair point

[stompy]

It never seems to amaze me how Anglers just blatantly lie to protect there sponsorship deals.
This is why as a importer I refuse to sponsor any of these tournaments and have been very reluctant to sponsor any anglers.
I read these tournaments reviews written on the ABT BREAM website to utter disgust on how you anglers continue such practices.
This is also relevant to latest report for the grand final you anglers know who you are, as it all comes out later when I get told of who actually was using what.
How the tournaments committee can also allow such practices to continue shows how unprofessional it all really is.

So you have no buy in? Did you compete in the comp? Can you provide some detail?

If not, pull your head in.

Cheers,

[stompy]

Cut him some slack, I think he makes a pretty fair point

What part of it? None of it is supported by anthing other than dribble.

Cheers,

[sammy]

come on guys let make the feed back positive

[seamonkey]

Cut him some slack, I think he makes a pretty fair point

May well be a fair point but a faceless unsigned post of an unknown "importer" casting aspertions on the reputation of anglers recently involved in the ABT GF stands for nothing. Much like spam.

[StuKlose]

and a site sponsor.

I totally agree. I have fished with an angler that is/was (not sure at the moment) sposored by Zipbaits and used nothing but Gulp in a tournament then quoted on this website that they were using Zipbaits.

There is exceptions though. Steve Morrison sponsored by Cranka, will admit when he hasn't used Cranka. He stands by the product as he feels it is a qulaity one. Hope you don't mind me putting this up Steve.

Do some sponsors expect an angler to use only their peoducts even when another product is a better option on that particular day?

Just some thoughts.

Stu

[bargeass]

Haha yeah granted, he needs to back up what he has said. But it is pretty dodgy that anglers are saying they used one brand to catch their bag when infact another brand was used. Thats what I read his statement as, although he has a valid point, all the info deffinelty to support his accusations as such isnt there.

[The G factor]

cant really blame them though. Yeah so what if they lie, the products they're promoting work ( hopefully!) and they are fishing for themselves, not their sponsors. They want a winning bag, and if their sponsors products arnt up to the job, or if they feel they can get a better result with a different then product, then of course they will use it.

Its all a very selfish process, but one thats completely understandable in my opinion. If I knew I had a better chance at catching a fish in one specific scenario with a lure that I wasnt sponsored by, but it would result in me catching the fish, I would use the lure.

Even the whole lying thing, they want to promote their sponsors so they reap the benefits. Sure its deceitful, but in the end the anglers are looking out for themselves, and if lying keeps your sponsor happy and keeps you sponsored, then you can bet 99% of people will do it. For those who dont, they have a bit more self control and good on them, especially if they stick by their sponsors product through thick and thin, that really shows dedication and belief that the product is the lure they want to use.

[FastBass]

cant really blame them though. Yeah so what if they lie, the products they're promoting work ( hopefully!) and they are fishing for themselves, not their sponsors. They want a winning bag, and if their sponsors products arnt up to the job, or if they feel they can get a better result with a different then product, then of course they will use it.

Its all a very selfish process, but one thats completely understandable in my opinion. If I knew I had a better chance at catching a fish in one specific scenario with a lure that I wasnt sponsored by, but it would result in me catching the fish, I would use the lure.

Even the whole lying thing, they want to promote their sponsors so they reap the benefits. Sure its deceitful, but in the end the anglers are looking out for themselves, and if lying keeps your sponsor happy and keeps you sponsored, then you can bet 99% of people will do it. For those who dont, they have a bit more self control and good on them, especially if they stick by their sponsors
product through thick and thin, that really shows dedication and belief that the product is the lure they want to use.

I couldnt agree more to what g factor posted.

Cheers jason

[Mooza81]

Here's on for ya.. American Pro, John Crews...Hmmm Yamaha splattered everywhere all over his clothes, his deck and his boat...But what,, Mercury outboard.. Check it out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XCdEG2ifD4

[Hooked]

There is exceptions though. Steve Morrison sponsored by Cranka, will admit when he hasn't used Cranka. He stands by the product as he feels it is a qulaity one. Hope you don't mind me putting this up Steve.


Have no problem with it Stu:cool:,neither do my sponsor's.Dan and Steersy have been very good about how they treat their pro staff and what they expect. Was one of the main reasons l got on board in the first place as Dan will tell you.
l still wanted the unrestricted fishing l had before joining the team and the guys were happy to back this.They don't want us to lie to push their product just an honest account of how we go and what did the damage if indeed Cranka was the lure of choice on the day.
The more l fish the product though the better l get with it so Cranka is indeed for me.Like anything if you believe in something the results follow.With new lures coming out in the range to cover some more base's it makes it even better to be on board with the guys.
Fished a recent event down in Albany as you know and fished Nories laydown minnows and Pontoon 21 greedy guts but it was the Cranka vibes that did the damage as we couldn't raise a fish on the minnows.
Each lure has a place and to restrict yourself to one product even as good as Cranka's are would be crazy as no one shoe fits all or in this case lure to each and every varying system.

Cheers Steve.:)

[Dodgy back]

A sad fact is you do hear of it at comps.
Like I have said before ,some guys would sell their soul to be sponsored and by the sound of it some would lie through their teeth to keep it.

[scope]

Pretty sure this kind of thing has been happening forever and not just in fishing. Take cricket for example, certain players put branded stickers on their bats, when in fact they're using a different bat altogether. Its just the way of the world. As soon as money begins to play a part in anything, the rules change straight away.......

[stompy]

Ok,

So you are saying it happened the current G.F. If thats the case, add some detail and post it on fishing monthly.

If it has happened it is dissapointing, I'm not nieve enough to think that it does not go on. But I still think it is unfair to make the comments without detail. I'd actually say to do such a thing is a spineless act.

There are only two blokes who have given detail and you are calling at least one of them a liar. Or if you are talking about other sponsored anglers then at least give us some clarity.

Cheers

[FastBass]

It never seems to amaze me how Anglers just blatantly lie to protect there sponsorship deals.
This is why as a importer I refuse to sponsor any of these tournaments and have been very reluctant to sponsor any anglers.
I read these tournaments reviews written on the ABT BREAM website to utter disgust on how you anglers continue such practices.
This is also relevant to latest report for the grand final you anglers know who you are, as it all comes out later when I get told of who actually was using what.
How the tournaments committee can also allow such practices to continue shows how unprofessional it all really is.

You have raised a very interesting topic here.do you sponsor any anglers?if so how do you know there not lieing to you as to what they used in comps and what they got there fish on...............

[Dave W]

You cannot lump ALL anglers into the dubious ethical practises of a few.

Name and shame, back it up with some facts, or retract the statement.

I personally rate the Camion as one of the best Bream lures ever made, and have mentioned it quite often on stage at tournaments. On occasions all I had to do was say that I was using an Atomic or Bassday instead and would've scored a prize.

Does this benefit me at all? Not in the slightest, except for the pleasure in knowing I'm not doing the wrong thing.

I've never had the Australian importer/distributor of Smith lures thank me for the product mention on stage - a couple of Smith sponsored anglers have commented though. Is this a bad thing? I don't fish for 'thanks' but I could quite easily have said 'cranking hardbody' and no-one would have cared, and I would not be promoting a product that means sales for the importer/distributor but does nothing for me.

Fortunately (or unfortunately) I call a spade a spade and say it like it is irrelevent of outcome.

[eddystone]

Steve (aust angling),

Personally when I do well in a tournament I'm happy to state what I used.... I'm sponsored by berkley. If I win using a product not in the berkley stable so be it. They have the plastic market tied up (in my opinion) so it will only ever be hard bodies from another company.

I have seen guys that catch fish on their sponsors product and not actually state that too... It's their call at the end of the day.

Not sponsoring anglers and events isn't going to change the outcome in my opinion. Smiths have some nice lures... I know spiro did well down in Tas last year on the panish!

Pat Sullivan

[Yardi]

It happens and will continue to happen, because its called advertising and its been around forever.
What are you calling lieing, if I had a dollar for everytime I have heard anglers say "yeah I fished this section of a river and thats where we pulled our fish" and I know for a fact they didnt, its just another fib. Its competition and people will continue to do it, there are a number of anglers out there that have caught their bag on Gulp but are to embaressed to say so due to the age old debate that is classed as bait to some people.
Get over it move on

[Alex]

certain players put branded stickers on their bats, when in fact they're using a different bat altogether. .......

Yeah, it's like replacing the Holden badge with the Chevy's...:D

[Shortytheyakker]

An AFC angler told me personally what some of the top guys use , all i will say is if would be interesting if everybody uses what they say they are,the leader board might be a bit different tho if they did :D

I just don't take it to seriously,, a lot of fairy tales are told but the non boaters know the truth and everybody finds out sooner or later,,

[Dan Walter]

Well I think Aust angling comments are rather out of line, true but out of line.
I know one of his sponsored anglers was using another product, big woop.
If anglers started saying they used mr twister plastics when episodes by gulp. I'm sure they would not be sponsored for long. Most of us know that all sposored anglers will use another product during a comp. We are there to catch fish after all, if they used ONLY their sponsored product they may not win many comps, Towner was throwing zipbaits around i'n tas a few years back but he is a gulp man, non of this is new.

I think your rant has no validation, although uou have a point youv gone about it wrong therefore youv made your self look like a tool. Perhaps you should be ashamed of your self for not supporting the people who support you?

[yellow door 1]

Well I think Aust angling comments are rather out of line, true but out of line.
I know one of his sponsored anglers was using another product, big woop.
If anglers started saying they used mr twister plastics when episodes by gulp. I'm sure they would not be sponsored for long. Most of us know that all sposored anglers will use another product during a comp. We are there to catch fish after all, if they used ONLY their sponsored product they may not win many comps, Towner was throwing zipbaits around i'n tas a few years back but he is a gulp man, non of this is new.

I think your rant has no validation, although uou have a point youv gone about it wrong therefore youv made your self look like a tool. Perhaps you should be ashamed of your self for not supporting the people who support you?

I was hoping it was a knee jerk reaction, spurred on by the Dutch:D

If not - Its a lose/lose PR blunder with awkward ramifications.

No winners - only degrees of losing:o

P.s. (I love lying - unless I'm the one being lied to - then I get quite righteous about it;))

[Dan Walter]

Yeah sorry not trying to be a scumb bag or anything, but, I still think the initial post, from a site sponsor, was uncalled for.

[Ballnuts]

Oh my god :eek: are you saying that Ricky Ponting may not actually take the Swiss multivitamins he promotes, and the reason the Soccers Roos got into the last world cup wasn't because they ate Weetbix, and are you trying to tell me that Patrick Rafter may not actually wear bonds underwear and that all those elite motorcross riders don't actually drink monster energy drink all day:D. My world is shattered, I have lost all faith in humanity:p:p At least I know that Delta Goodrim really does love So Good.... doesn't she.... maybe not.... I'm so confused now:confused:

Come on mate you need to take a chill pill. People in every sport spin DohDohDohDoh to promote their sponsors brands. Getting on the podium isn't an opportunity to tell everyone you won because you didn't use your sponsors products its an opportunity to give back some exposure for the money or product your sponsors give you.

Maybe you should have a crack at sponsoring some quality anglers that can get up on stage and give your products a serious plug and you may change your opinion on the matter.

Saying that the tournament committee can't let it go on is hilarious. Would you like all the guys to be hooked upto a polygraph as they weigh in and speak to the crowd:p. You can't reprimand people for plugging their sponsors
as its the sponsors that keep the tournaments viable. Lets face it most of the products out there that guys are sponsored by do work so if someone hears a angler say they caught their fish on tt vibes when they actually Eco-Gear VX's and that person goes out and buys the TT instead of the VX they will still work. Thanks for the post I'm still laughing :D

[Hyper Tackle]

Just in a response to a member who said it happened to him with a Zipbaits sponsored angler if your going to make allegations against them then name them if you've got the balls!!! you named the product for some reason and not the person you accused of lying!!!!

I have never directed any of the guys we sponsor to lie but don't want them getting up and blurting out that they used the competitors brands if they do win using a competitors brand I have asked for a general statement ie I was using Hardbodies etc, I don't give out product at my expense for someone to get on the podium and sell lures for companies I compete with.

Mark

[Mick]

To be honest I think it is only a very small minority of very insecure anglers that would get up on stage and blatently lie. Most anglers will just say their fish were caught on hard bodies, blades, soft plastics, without mentioning brand names, if they were caught on a competitors lure and I certainly see nothing wrong with that.

Years ago I was lucky enough to be sponsored by very well known lure brand, when they first arrived here, but at that time they only imported soft plastics, it was prior to their hard body/ blade range being available. Although they make great soft plastics, I still needed to use other brands, but as the sponsor only wished me to use his brand, I eventually had to politely hand back the sponsorship deal. I could have lied about what I used, but reputation means a lot more to me than a few free lures, as it does to most other anglers.

Word quickly gets around the tournament scene about most topics and it would actually cause a sponsor more embarassment if one of their anglers got caught out lying, then saying he caught his fish on another lure.

It obviously happens now and again and if I was their sponsor, I would seriously consider dumping them. Really, what company wants to be associated with some one who lies in a public arena.

[crabcrusher]

Fisherman will always tell lies.. Marketing will always be in place in fishing tournaments.:D

"Scholars have long known that fishing eventually turns men into philosophers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to buy decent tackle on a philosopher's salary" Patrick McManus

[Hyper Tackle]

Another point is that anglers can be bound by contract to do this and expected by certain companies as part of the deal.

Oh well I wonder which lures did fish well in the GF this year sounds like the ones mentioned in the write up is a load of BS:D:D:D:D:D

Mark

[crusty]

I think if an angler is sponsored by one product, there is no problem with using another product if it is not similar to one he is sponsored by.

But he or she should mention that he caught his fish on a generic lure type, eg soft plastic, hardbody or vibe rather than incorrectly naming his sponsors product as the one catching the fish.

You can be pretty sure that all you hear on the podium after a tournament isn't 100% correct cause money changes everything.

[Emo]

Anyone who thinks what the hear at weigh in's is 100% true needs to come see me, I have some awesome snake oil I would like to sell them real cheap;)

[butcheri]

It never seems to amaze me how Anglers just blatantly lie to protect there sponsorship deals.
This is why as a importer I refuse to sponsor any of these tournaments and have been very reluctant to sponsor any anglers.
I read these tournaments reviews written on the ABT BREAM website to utter disgust on how you anglers continue such practices.
This is also relevant to latest report for the grand final you anglers know who you are, as it all comes out later when I get told of who actually was using what.
How the tournaments committee can also allow such practices to continue shows how unprofessional it all really is.

Care to elaborate?

Who lied about what?

Who told you of who was using what?

How do they know?

[FastBass]

Care to elaborate?

Who lied about what?

Who told you of who was using what?

How do they know?

Untill we find out all the details of this i think we should just keep playing the Violin

[snag]

One of the great benifits of having a sponsor that isnt fishing related.
1 i can use any lures, rods,reels i want.
2 id never have this problem ever.

Gee love it when i made a choice yrs ago to think outside the box.:D

[Mooza81]

Gee wiz, this topic is pulling some heart strings. I thought the best sponsor was the one who handed out the coolest stickers, hats and t-shirts. If anyone wants to sponsor someone who they know is not going to plug someone elses product because they know they will never make the podium... I'm your man..

Here's how the contract goes. "We'll put a sticker on your boat but speak one word in front of a camera and its over buddy." Thats's my kinda deal.

[snag]

Gee wiz, this topic is pulling some heart strings. I thought the best sponsor was the one who handed out the coolest stickers, hats and t-shirts. If anyone wants to sponsor someone who they know is not going to plug someone elses product because they know they will never make the podium... I'm your man..

Here's how the contract goes. "We'll put a sticker on your boat but speak one word in front of a camera and its over buddy." Thats's my kinda deal.

LMAO LOVE IT:D

[FastBass]

Gee wiz, this topic is pulling some heart strings. I thought the best sponsor was the one who handed out the coolest stickers, hats and t-shirts. If anyone wants to sponsor someone who they know is not going to plug someone elses product because they know they will never make the podium... I'm your man..

Here's how the contract goes. "We'll put a sticker on your boat but speak one word in front of a camera and its over buddy." Thats's my kinda deal.

GOLD

[Mooza81]

Anyone who thinks what the hear at weigh in's is 100% true needs to come see me, I have some awesome snake oil I would like to sell them real cheap;)

Really , will I become imortal?

[Emo]

Really , will I become imortal?


Cast Camions deep into snags for 3 days straight and see what happens:D

[Mooza81]

Cast Camions deep into snags for 3 days straight and see what happens:D

Does it have to be over a full moon.??

[Emo]

Does it have to be over a full moon.??

I prefer no moon, the cover darkness provides means you can actually cast anything you feel like.

[smokindrags]

Cast Camions deep into snags for 3 days straight and see what happens:D

You would lose lots of camions if you cast them into snags for 3 days ;)

[breambasher]

You would lose lots of camions if you cast them into snags for 3 days ;)


Only if you were sponsored by smith otherwise they wouldnt get touched at all...:D

[Mooza81]

Only if you were sponsored by smith otherwise they wouldnt get touched at all...:D

BAM ! POW !

[shano]

im pretty sure im not sponsored by smith and i just pulled a heap of fish on the camions last w.e in amongst the snags
take that "bam, pow" back boy haha;)

[Mooza81]

im pretty sure im not sponsored by smith and i just pulled a heap of fish on the camions last w.e in amongst the snags
take that "bam, pow" back boy haha;)


Proudly supported by Bluewater Tackle Morley
140 Russell Street Morley WA, 6062
Ph +61 8 9375 9800 - Fax +61 8 9375 9799
A great range of bream gear and free advise
Buy 5 lures and get 10% off the total.

I would call that sponsored.

[Shortytheyakker]

Not by Smith,,:rolleyes:

[Bear]

You might need to read it properly:

'im pretty sure im not sponsored by smith ' :D


Proudly supported by Bluewater Tackle Morley
140 Russell Street Morley WA, 6062
Ph +61 8 9375 9800 - Fax +61 8 9375 9799
A great range of bream gear and free advise
Buy 5 lures and get 10% off the total.

I would call that sponsored.

[nereus]

sounds like a storm in a D cup........yeah D cup :D
cheers nereus

[phil jagger]

Anyone from any company (importers, owners, comp organises etc etc) that have either accused or retorted should always hold back...it never looks good on a public forum.

[Hyper Tackle]

Anyone from any company (importers, owners, comp organises etc etc) that have either accused or retorted should always hold back...it never looks good on a public forum.

That would apply to two people in this post then phil:rolleyes:

I can understand Steves frustration about this and just to let you know Steve it's happened to me on various occasions that I know of but basically that's the way it is and in most cases word gets out anyway about what lures did the damage and the angler that told Porky Pies to appease their sponsor or if they were directed to do so by their sponsor they tend to look pretty stupid anyway, if your 100% certain that it was your product then tell everyone including your customers your lures were the winner I do.

Mark

[Chamelion]

If Tiger Woods won a championship event, then in his speech claimed to have used a NIKE ball, when in fact he used a PING ball, would that not be blatant lying? Identical issue as to what is being discussed in this thread.

Any fisherman that wins a comp and lies about what lure they used merely to protect their sponsorship instantly loses any and all respect I may have had for them and the companies that sponsor them... My opinion may be but a tiny drop in the ocean, but enough drops and well, you know the rest.

Mark - Spot on.

[phil jagger]

That would apply to two people in this post then phil:rolleyes:

I can understand Steves frustration about this and just to let you know Steve it's happened to me on various occasions that I know of but basically that's the way it is and in most cases word gets out anyway about what lures did the damage and the angler that told Porky Pies to appease their sponsor or if they were directed to do so by their sponsor they tend to look pretty stupid anyway, if your 100% certain that it was your product then tell everyone including your customers your lures were the winner I do.

Mark

Three people.

I can fully understand everyone's frustration on this point. The fact is it does, and always will happen. So realistically the point is moot.

Sponsorship is a fine line.....especially in a tournament situation.

Cheers,

Phil

[phil jagger]

If Tiger Woods won a championship event, then in his speech claimed to have used a NIKE ball, when in fact he used a PING ball, would that not be blatant lying? Identical issue as to what is being discussed in this thread.

Any fisherman that wins a comp and lies about what lure they used merely to protect their sponsorship instantly loses any and all respect I may have had for them and the companies that sponsor them... My opinion may be but a tiny drop in the ocean, but enough drops and well, you know the rest.

Mark - Spot on.

Just read this after my last post.....I agree with you fully...Well said.

Phil

[butcheri]

Let's all take a deep breath here.

No one really knows what was used. This is all heresay.

No one was on the boat with him to actually see anything.

Calling a pro angler a liar after a formal winner's speech is extremely unprofessional, ESPECIALLY by a distributor.

Telling people and customers that he lied is actually DEFAMATION.

We all know that on ocassion, the truth may be bent a little for either professional or entertainment reasons...this is part of the commercial world. It happens in every movie, song, doco, news report, etc.

I was there at the Grand Final. I was an observer on another boat. At one point I was within 50 metres of the winner, who i personally saw catch one of his fish. We pulled up alongside for a chat and to have a look. I saw an Ecogear SX40LC in colour 369 being pulled out of the fish's mouth.

It is absolutely ludicrous that "profesionals" who were 3 states away are now jumping up and down crying murder.

Pros, pull your heads in!

Enthusiasts, rejoice in another wonderful season and event.

Go out and buy as many lures as you can afford....from all the brands. I DO!

And you wanna know the REAL secret here? They all DohDohDohDohing work!!

Cheers,

Jim Xyga

:)

[tupac]

A case in point.

Ecogear was credited with success I believe.

http://www.crankalures.com/images/stories/115.jpg

[Doc_Hollywood]

Cant believe this has got to 4 pages odd, but i have to agree with Phil it really is a moot point.
Is saying you used 1 lure over another any different then saying your fish were caught in one place when they were caught somewhere else.
Or when sponsors provide anglers with lures not commercially available to the rest of the field. It is competition people and if you are fishing for ten grand i wouldnt be telling anyone anything that may lose me my advantage now or in the future.
And Tiger may use a nike ball, but do you think it is commercially available, no way his are all custom made to his specs just for him. I race a suzuli rmz250 motocross bike looks exactly the same as Ryan Dungeys but i can tell you its no where near the same.
This is what competitive pusuits are all about, do what you have to to keep your edge and say what you have to so that you protect it.

[Chamelion]

Is saying you used 1 lure over another any different then saying your fish were caught in one place when they were caught somewhere else.

No, not unless you were sponsored by the owners of the spot you were fishing and they were trying to sell it.

[Hyper Tackle]

I wonder if results may have been different if there were cameras on boats as in the past then anglers would have to use their sponsors products would have been interesting to see results then:D;)

I didn't even get a mention so you did better than me Steve:D

Defamation isn't that when you make up unsubstantiated claims about someone if substantiated by others who witnessed it it's not defamation;)

Mark

[Alex]

I'd love to be sponsored by either CUB or a famous distillery ;):D

Just imagine a VB wrap on a boat...:eek:

[Rocksy]

i didn't want to get involved in this because i could care less about tournament fishing.

but...

If someone is doing this for financial gain, including their sponsors covering costs and providing equipment. Then it is nothing short of blatant false advertising, in competition it should be paramount to cheating.

[Mooza81]

If I was sponsored by ORICA, would that mean that I would have to say that I used expanding bait (Explosives) to catch my fish?

[Ratbags]

IMO..................

............don't let the truth get in the way of a good story :D:D

[DUKESTER]

I've been reading this thread with interest. I've got to back up Jimmy (butcheri) here. Really this is all hearsay.

Aust Angling sponsor a friend of mine Spiro. I know for a fact, after receiving his sponsorship he has sold all his other lures, most on this site. I've bought some lures off him and have fished with him many times. They are lucky to have an angler who does follow the rules of his sponsor and Smith lures are a great lure. So are Ecogear, Zipbaits, Luckycraft, Maria, Bassday etc, etc, etc. They all work.

But to degrade the winner of the ABT grandfinal on hearsay is just not on for me. Aust Angling have a gun fisherman in Spiro pushing there product who has achieved great results this year. Zipbaits have a gun in Dizzy Borg and others. So I dont understand. In my books, you are showing disrespect for your own anglers. You are saying that others "supposedly" are using your products and winning while your own anglers cannot.

Why dont your sponsors concentrate on your own anglers and give them a wrap or shame your own if you please. As for putting pressure on tournamament organisers, well Ballnuts has answered that one perfectly.

By the way, I will continue to use and buy both Smiths and Zipbaits becasue they are great lures. Just dont like cheap shots. Thanks all.

[Dan Walter]

Just because you sponsored it doesn't mean that your product is going to catch fish everytime, sponsored or not your mad if you only use one product. But, I will say that having sponsors my self I will always use that product first.

I don't think anyone was having a crack at spizza, hope not Anyway.

[Chamelion]

If I was sponsored by ORICA, would that mean that I would have to say that I used expanding bait (Explosives) to catch my fish?

No, of course not, what a daft arsed thing to say.... Now, if you were competing in the explosives world championships, won and claimed you were using C4 when you were really using a nuclear weapon, then you would have about as much backbone as any tournament anglers that falsely state which lure they used to win.

That really shouldn't need explanation to anyone over the age of 12...

[Hyper Tackle]

I've been reading this thread with interest. I've got to back up Jimmy (butcheri) here. Really this is all hearsay.

Aust Angling sponsor a friend of mine Spiro. I know for a fact, after receiving his sponsorship he has sold all his other lures, most on this site. I've bought some lures off him and have fished with him many times. They are lucky to have an angler who does follow the rules of his sponsor and Smith lures are a great lure. So are Ecogear, Zipbaits, Luckycraft, Maria, Bassday etc, etc, etc. They all work.

But to degrade the winner of the ABT grandfinal on hearsay is just not on for me. Aust Angling have a gun fisherman in Spiro pushing there product who has achieved great results this year. Zipbaits have a gun in Dizzy Borg and others. So I dont understand. In my books, you are showing disrespect for your own anglers. You are saying that others "supposedly" are using your products and winning while your own anglers cannot.

Why dont your sponsors concentrate on your own anglers and give them a wrap or shame your own if you please. As for putting pressure on tournamament organisers, well Ballnuts has answered that one perfectly.

By the way, I will continue to use and buy both Smiths and Zipbaits becasue they are great lures. Just dont like cheap shots. Thanks all.

I can tell you in our case it's not all hearsay it's a fact that this has happened in the GF and other comps mentioned previously about TAS and I know as fact that one angler did get a place using our lures "although not printed in this case" only to get up and plug their sponsors lures, I'm not going to start naming and shaming but I think the whole point is that these results especially the GF that is printed around the place with winning lures getting loads of sales based possibly not on the truth so you the consumer may be getting mislead.

I know that's the way it is and I must accept it but can tell you that if you read a ZipBaits sponsored angler has won then if a Zipbaits model was used than it will be the truth because as mentioned I have asked for the sponsored anglers not to say they used Zipbaits when they didn't, perhaps other companies may read all of this and make the same decision but I doubt it somehow money is more important than integrity I guess!

I should point out also that this is out of the ABTs control and it's the anglers & companies directing for this to be done.

Mark

[DUKESTER]

Thanks for your reply Mark and you make some valid points coming from your end. I know that most of this thread is intended for Aust Angling but you are getting the brunt of this unfortunately due to your activity in the thread. If the sponsored lure company gets the credit for his win, then they have paid for this. Right or wrong. They chose him to sponsor and thats there good luck. Just to let you know, I bought my first Zipbait because of your exposure with Dizzy. He didn't win that tournament using it in 2007 but he said it was his "go to" hard body. That was more important to me than winning. So exposure was the key with a great angler. It is difficult to win all the time. Now I have over 100 zipbaits!!!!

Even though you may claim it not hearsay, isn't better for his sponsors to deal with this? Surely it would be better to give Spiro or Dizzy or whoever you are sponsoring a wrap instead of putting others down? They have achieved some amazing results this year giving Zipbaits and Smiths some great exposure, but all we are focusing on is someone else and his sponsors. It just comes across as sour grapes and a little disrespectful to your guys in my opinion. I know that it was not you that started this but as long are your anglers are doing the right thing by you then that is all you can control.

[Hyper Tackle]

Thanks DUKESTER also respect what your saying to be honest I don't know who it was winner 2nd place getter??? and don't think Steve really pointed the finger at any one individual but it is commonly going on, even if someone did say they used something they didn't I still respect that they got to the top and they're obviously very good at the game.

To be honest I don't really give all blame to anglers for this but I do blame their sponsors for putting pressure on these guys to get up there and sell their souls and if you don't your off the team I'm certain this is why this is happening.

Anyway enough from me and your right time to concentrate on hopefully getting one of our guys on the GF podium next year;)

Mark

[Mooza81]

No, of course not, what a daft arsed thing to say.... Now, if you were competing in the explosives world championships, won and claimed you were using C4 when you were really using a nuclear weapon, then you would have about as much backbone as any tournament anglers that falsely state which lure they used to win.

That really shouldn't need explanation to anyone over the age of 12...

Doesn't matter, I'm all outta nukes and I loaned my last kilo of C4 to the next door neighbours kids to get rid of a stump at thier BMX track. Little bugger lost it..Seriously who looses c4??

[Emo]

I'd love to be sponsored by either CUB or a famous distillery ;):D

Just imagine a VB wrap on a boat...:eek:

I'm imagining a VB sponsorship, but a boat wrap isn't what I'd be concerned with:D

[Aust Angling]

First of all I would like to thank you all for your input it has give me much insight to the Bream fraternity.
This subject has touched on a sore point with many a tournament and none tournament angler alike.
Some here seem to think that it is okay to lie you are certainly not somebody I would want to sponsor.
Many are already are aware of the goings on with you agreeing that it's due to the money lining peoples pockets for support and advertising and also due to sponsorship agreements.
This particular event is just one of the misleading reports that has been published it is not by any means a single event.
I have had numerous conversations with different anglers over the last couple of days including one with Slick whom this was not aimed at in which he told me of some of the
mis - dealings that some sponsored anglers get up to and problems with the tournament scene.
I am sorry Shaun it's not your fault either ..its the way it's written as you are not responsible for the write up, some things get left out like its useless information. But it is time for some transparency in the tournament scene and the ABT reports that are posted, maybe a new tournament system is required which is really for the angler it which would benefit all of which take part instead of just the few favored companies/persons.


_Following is a great email I received from a person long associated with the industry and thank you._

Sponsored anglers still have a very long way to go in this country as do the
companies sponsoring most of the anglers.

Very few companies sponsor the correct guys for the correct reasons.

Like you say if I was a sponsor I would want my angler to only have my
product as I want to know how to make it better, colours design etc...
Copying another lure is not how anglers get better products.
"Imitation sounds like innovation but they are not the same."

The trade show every year gets more and more "imitation" oriented rather
than "Innovation" oriented which is a big shame for the industry as far as I
am concerned.

I guess things will not be changing in a hurry either although I think that
there are many anglers who are getting sick of the forced advertising on TV
and magazines that they see through and do not appreciate.

[Dave W]

Seriously who looses c4??

Absolutely pi$$ funny - my vote for quote of the year right there :D

Good enough for my next visit to the custom T-Shirt shop (spelling mistake fixed) :

[Mooza81]

Absolutely pi$$ funny - my vote for quote of the year right there :D

Good enough for my next visit to the custom T-Shirt shop (spelling mistake fixed) :

Yeah , Might go get one myself.. Just gotta remember not to wear it in the airport..:eek:

[tupac]

The comp scene has really become an advertising junket and to survive it needs to be. Anglers are sponsored to created brand awareness and there is no super lure, line, reel or rod that will make an average angler into a good one. As my earlier post showed you do not have to dig far to find half truths turned into advertising spin to satisfy sponsors and manufacturers. Teams called one lure brand and wearing sponsors shirts of another lure brand is a pretty blatant statement of crossed loyalties.

There was much talk once about classing gulp "protein" plastics as bait so making them ineligible for ABT comps. Was never going to happen as Berkley put too much money into the comps.

Accept it is as part of the comp scene and read between the lines. If you dont like it dont be involved is my belief.

If you really want to open a can of worms lets talk about the chumminess of the top dozen anglers on the circuit. Lots of comments that indicate they share information and dont fish each others spots. Makes perfect sense when you think about it. If the prize pool is spread too thinly then the rewards arent there. So the top few "who shares wins" and keep the sponsorship and prize money in a smaller group.


In the interest of honesty I would love to see some ethics involved in sponsorship. If you are sponsored by a company that makes a large range of product (say Berkley) then you ditch all other brands and live by the sponsorship. If you win then its unequivocal that Berkley makes a winning range of products. I would be happy if you were to take mixed sponsorship if you took Berkley Gulp and Diawa TD Sensor as its two specific products. It really is a joke that you can be called lure X but have a boat full of and fish with lure W. I do know a sponsored guide and the sponsor brand is used exclusively in his business. He will admit that it costs him fish at some times but as a successful guide with happy customers his adherence to one brand actually provides his sponsor with what they deserve.

[Tasbasser]

Mark....

I can't believe you're still on about that day in Tas....

A...We caught just as many fish on other lures ....

B...Descibing my partners as a sponsored angler would perhaps be going a bit far in the first place....

C...To hold onto that bone for so long is a bit sad...

D...Did you have any formal sort of deal or contract or plan going going with said angler...or was in it more..... here yo go mate, haves a few lures and now you're endebted to me for life....

E...Did you bother to find out what we said at the presentation and to all people present.....No you went off on your own tangent from far away WA...

You should be careful about how you reiterate what you perceive to be the truth....

Which is what this post is actually about...

This is another examplke of the ins and outs of sponsorship...

PT

[Mooza81]

I would have used numbers, not letters but that just me. :rolleyes:

[tupac]

I would have used numbers, not letters but that just me. :rolleyes:


Judging by "endebted" Tasbasser is still struggling with letters so dont try and stress him with numbers as well.:):)

[Hyper Tackle]

Mark....

I can't believe you're still on about that day in Tas....

A...We caught just as many fish on other lures ....

B...Descibing my partners as a sponsored angler would perhaps be going a bit far in the first place....

C...To hold onto that bone for so long is a bit sad...

D...Did you have any formal sort of deal or contract or plan going going with said angler...or was in it more..... here yo go mate, haves a few lures and now you're endebted to me for life....

E...Did you bother to find out what we said at the presentation and to all people present.....No you went off on your own tangent from far away WA...

You should be careful about how you reiterate what you perceive to be the truth....

Which is what this post is actually about...

This is another examplke of the ins and outs of sponsorship...

PT

What the hell are you on about????? I wasn't referring to that go back and read Dan Walters post.

If you want to know what the problem was it was one of our guys fishing under the team name Ecogear slight conflict of interest don't you think? the angler was asked not to do this again and as no conclusive response was ever given I took that as it's over.

I don't have formal contracts in place where people sign their life away and must say they used sponsors lures when they didn't etc and I don't expect them to lie that's what this whole post is about.

I noticed at the time you claimed all the glory for the kicker fish on the Ecogear website you"re a joke mate:D:D

Mark

[Dan Walter]

Just a question, and I'll use zipbaits as an example, hope that ok mark.
Some companies like zipbaits, that I'm aware of don't have a plastic range, so what happened if you place i'n a comp and you've only been able to use plastics because it's a deep winter bite, how do you explain that on the podium?

[Ballnuts]

Hi Guys

I have just recieved a call from Shaun Clancy who has asked me to list this response to settle this once and for all as he isn't a member on this site and with threads like this one I don't blame him.

Before you read his response can I just say that it is so dissappointing that I have to do this for him at all. Shaun would be one of the fairest honest competitors on the tournament and anyone who has come into trouble in a tournament will be able to back me up on the efforts he goes to to help out other anglers. I think it is extremely poor form to try and cast a shadow over someone's exceptional performance in a big event. I'm finished, so Shaun take over.............................................. ..............................................

I was made aware of this thread last night saying that the GF report was lies.
So here are the facts.
Day one I used several different hardbodies in several bank locations an caught 1 fish on a SX40. We then moved to open water and got the rest of the bag and maybe 1 upgrade all on VX 35 and 40 in the colours I have listed.
Day 2 I started on the banks again using several hardbodies with no result so we went back to the open water spot from the day before and first cast on a VX35 I had my first legal. 6 or so other boats were there including Spiro and he saw me catch it. We got one more legal on a VX35 before Spiro yelled out to me asking for an upgrade tool. I made my way over to him and gave him my scales and weigh bag and said “what the hell are you throwing? You are smacking them.” He then gave me one to try saying it was a Smith Vibe. So I tied it on but still was not hooking as many as Spiro. So I said to My non boater Tyler it must be his action, so we copied his action and still didn’t get the bights he was getting. Then I noticed he was playing out the fish a lot and I said to Tyler he is using strait though fluro carbon. We both changed to this and started catching fish. I caught a couple on the Smith as well as VX35 and 40. Tyler caught a couple on VX35’s including a 38 fork yellowfin on the VX35 in colour 443. I gave him the lure and said this is my favourite colour for Mallacoota 2 casts later he caught the 38. This was his first GF fish and his new PB so it was a great day and I was very happy he caught the kicker for us. Through process of elimination we had cracked the pattern and the pattern was Spiro’s line class and retrieve not any lure in particular.
I spoke to Spiro after the day and I said that I had tried to duplicate his retrieve and then figured out he was on strait through and that was the reason why he was out fishing all the other boats in the area. I explained that as soon as we changed to 3lb Spinning Fluro and copied his retrieve we were catching fish on VX’s as well.
He agreed that the retrieve and the line was the key and said he change colours during the session and was still catching fish.
This is why I acknowledged Spiro in the report and not the lure as we both agreed it was not the lure that made the difference. When Chris from ABT asked me about the method I told him it was not my place to disclose another anglers method but I wanted to acknowledge the fact that I learned from him and he out fished everyone in that open water spot. In my opinion that was the fair thing to do.

Day 3 I went to the open water and it was not on so I went to start bank fishing and came across a 200 metre stretch of fish that were rolling in the rocks and caught them all on stick baits.

So MR SMITH, if you would like an acknowledgement that 2 of the 25 or more Bream I caught over the 3 days of the GF was on a Smith vibe then you have got it. Well Done to you I would have thought that a write up that said your Pro Staffer was out fishing everyone else would have been a good thing for you promotional ventures..

The fact is I have been fishing Mallacoota my whole life and I love the place. I also know the place as well as anyone and that is the reason I did well in the comp. The exact same thing can be said for Chris, Cam and Steve. On the last day I was lucky enough to find a patch of big feeding fish and I managed to catch them. I did not drop a fish on the third day and I can tell you that fishing rocks with 3lb fluro Carbon is heart in the mouth stuff. Lucky I was using Yamatoyo Spinning Fluro, the best fluro carbon in the world!! Available at all good tackle stores!

[Steersy]

Hey TUPAC (not)

With all your 6 posts on BM you fool no one with who you are and anyone who has been involved in the TAS tournament scene knows exactly who you are!

Anyway, here is another example for you mate where TEAM CRANKA told lies (NOT) about what they used to win the recent TAS Trout Classic Series

(Following quote taken form a post made on Sportsfish Tasmania Forum)
Re: 2010 Tas Trout Classic Results
by Steersy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:25 am

Thanks for the Congrats!

Biggest fish measured 57 to the fork and was shared by Coxy and Butch or his partner? both from Great lake

We fished the fly for the fisrt hour (or Coxy did) or so in Arthur's with not even a sniff of a fish. Coxy flogged a big green wooly bugger dabbled behind a geen Booby fly fished on a fast sinking line for nothing! We thought we had found some fish feeding in mid water (5 feet) on clouds of Daphnea (Spelling?) and i missed one fish cranking a hard body at this depth but nothing else so we moved to find greener pastures. Most of our Arthur's fish were caught in super skinny water on a combination of soft plastics 3 fish (two on pearl olive BM's one on a double helgies Nymph rig ripped across the tops of the weed in very shallow water), one on a Cranka shad in GBG color and the rest on Nories Laydown minnows in the #74 (gold and Black color).

Our Great lake fish were all caught (bar one) on hard bodies with the Nories Laydowns fished hard against the rocky wind swept shores. We fished two different colors in the Laydowns one being the #74 Gold laydown and one being the New Red and gold color(not sure of the #) which was a stand out for us till i lost it!... bugger! the other hard body lure that got several of our fish was a gold Storm minnow that i only had one of and it has caught me plenty of fish over the years! anyway it was a sad day when i lost it to a good fish that rapt up in my leader Bugger!... Bugger! Bugger! cant get this lure anywhere now days!

Anyway that how our days panned out and we had a ball with several double hook ups and as many lost fish as we boated but thats fishing!

Great fun and i hope that someone can step up to the plate next year to run a great event and as already stated it will be hard shoes to fill!

Cheers
Steersy
Get Busy Breamin...or...Get Busy Dying!

Steersy
Gucci Guru

Posts: 1039
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IMO Every consistently successful tournament angler knows that at times your sponsor's lure range may not have the lure for the situation that you are faced with on the day and you are forced to use other brands to perform at your best!

This is the reality of tournament fishing and being tournaments anglers ourselves, we at Cranka understand this fact more than most!

Cheers
Steersy

[Hyper Tackle]

Just a question, and I'll use zipbaits as an example, hope that ok mark.
Some companies like zipbaits, that I'm aware of don't have a plastic range, so what happened if you place i'n a comp and you've only been able to use plastics because it's a deep winter bite, how do you explain that on the podium?

Hehehe you would say you were using our new Sp range coming soon Bait Breath:D:D:D;)

Mark

[Steersy]

Well done Shaun, sad that it gets to this mate!

Top job on your GF results, a very well deserved win

Cheers
Steersy

[tupac]

Hey TUPAC (not)

With all your 6 posts on BM you fool no one with who you are and anyone who has been involved in the TAS tournament scene knows exactly who you are!

Anyway, here is another example for you mate where TEAM CRANKA told lies (NOT) about what they used to win the recent TAS Trout Classic Series

(Following quote taken form a post made on Sportsfish Tasmania Forum)
Re: 2010 Tas Trout Classic Results
by Steersy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:25 am

Thanks for the Congrats!

Biggest fish measured 57 to the fork and was shared by Coxy and Butch or his partner? both from Great lake

We fished the fly for the fisrt hour (or Coxy did) or so in Arthur's with not even a sniff of a fish. Coxy flogged a big green wooly bugger dabbled behind a geen Booby fly fished on a fast sinking line for nothing! We thought we had found some fish feeding in mid water (5 feet) on clouds of Daphnea (Spelling?) and i missed one fish cranking a hard body at this depth but nothing else so we moved to find greener pastures. Most of our Arthur's fish were caught in super skinny water on a combination of soft plastics 3 fish (two on pearl olive BM's one on a double helgies Nymph rig ripped across the tops of the weed in very shallow water), one on a Cranka shad in GBG color and the rest on Nories Laydown minnows in the #74 (gold and Black color).

Our Great lake fish were all caught (bar one) on hard bodies with the Nories Laydowns fished hard against the rocky wind swept shores. We fished two different colors in the Laydowns one being the #74 Gold laydown and one being the New Red and gold color(not sure of the #) which was a stand out for us till i lost it!... bugger! the other hard body lure that got several of our fish was a gold Storm minnow that i only had one of and it has caught me plenty of fish over the years! anyway it was a sad day when i lost it to a good fish that rapt up in my leader Bugger!... Bugger! Bugger! cant get this lure anywhere now days!

Anyway that how our days panned out and we had a ball with several double hook ups and as many lost fish as we boated but thats fishing!

Great fun and i hope that someone can step up to the plate next year to run a great event and as already stated it will be hard shoes to fill!

Cheers
Steersy
Get Busy Breamin...or...Get Busy Dying!

Steersy
Gucci Guru

Posts: 1039
Joined: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:49 pm
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IMO Every consistently successful tournament angler knows that at times your sponsor's lure range may not have the lure for the situation that you are faced with on the day and you are forced to use other brands to perform at your best!

This is the reality of tournament fishing and being tournaments anglers ourselves, we at Cranka understand this fact more than most!

Cheers
Steersy



I dont think the trout classic result was mentioned. Congratulations on a Cranka success with one of the 20 or 30 fish landed being caught on a Cranka.

I do believe however that a reference was made to the bream classic and the photo linked showed you and partner wearing Ecogear shirts and the reports over the event referred to just about any lure other than Cranka but the win is credited to Cranka lures.

Naturally from the Cranka site the impression is Cranka lures made your team the classic winners but in reality they only played a small and possibly insignificant part in the win.

[Steersy]

Tupac, you would know wouldn't you?

The fact is that we fished Cranka throughout the series where they were suitable to the situation on the day and fished other brands where necessary throughout the series to achieve our winning results!

If you cant handle this fact, well thats your problem!

Cheers
Steersy

[Chamelion]

Absolutely pi$$ funny - my vote for quote of the year right there :D

Good enough for my next visit to the custom T-Shirt shop (spelling mistake fixed) :

I want one.

[brad mcdonald]

surely this horse has now been flogged to death.....

[EPhunt]

Great exposure to tournament politics for gents such as myself who are considering joing the amatuer circuit!

Not!

[Alex]

[I]Hi Guys

I have just recieved a call from Shaun Clancy who has asked me to list this response to settle this once and for all as he isn't a member on this site and with threads like this one I don't blame him.



Hey Bill, thanks for providing Shaun's response that clears everything said above;)

Only after reading it I realised what Aust Angling was on about :rolleyes: He should be proud to have Spiro as a sponsored angler on their books (even if he was sponsored "reluctantly" :rolleyes:)

Cheers

[butcheri]

Great exposure to tournament politics for gents such as myself who are considering joing the amatuer circuit!

Not!

Congratulations to all involved in this thread, including myself.

We've just grown the sport and tournament participation by -1

:o :(

[DUKESTER]

Well done Ballnuts (Bill). Everyone deserves a right of reply and I hope that finalises everything. Damn fine result to a damn fine effort from Shaun.

Well said Steersy.

Well done Spiro. I have tried to make the point that Aust Angling should be forcusing on Spiro not others. Show some respect.

We all know that its not always about the lures. Shaun, Cam, Spiro, Steve, Friebes, Slick, Steersy etc are all top class fisherman along with knowing the system well. That is more important than the lure. Give my 9 year old a Gulp minnow and Shaun a mister twister and I know who most of you would back to catch better fish.

Oh yey - well done to you too Butcheri (Jimmy)!

[nicko84]

Well i thought all fisherman were good blokes but it now seems that there is alot of d(@%heads.
Steve are you a sore looser?
why does it matter what the winner used. No matter what they use they are still winners. Congragulate them!
Thats what a decent man would do not winge
People trying to support the people that support them is the way it should be.

I think some people just need to forget this crap and go fishing and who knows you might even win one day.

[spoonta66]

I think most of you guys get too emotional about what is being posted on this forum, state the facts otherwise harden up.

Great site, great products (regardless of whether it was the winning lure or not) great information, no need for the EMO boys....

[Emo]

I think most of you guys get too emotional about what is being posted on this forum, state the facts otherwise harden up.

Great site, great products (regardless of whether it was the winning lure or not) great information, no need for the EMO boys....

Thems are fightin' words Spoonta, let's go outside now and settle this;)

[Piscateur]

Thems are fightin' words Spoonta, let's go outside now and settle this;)

Only if you use Hotrods as your lance. and not some other then claim otherwise

[Emo]

Only if you use Hot rods as your lance. and not some other then claim otherwise

Touché';)

This thread has got totally out of hand and a few people need to relax and take a deep breath, as an outsider this thread has done nothing but damage the reputation of the tournament scene and some of the people who are involved.

Despite it being interesting to read I suggest a PM or even a phone call would be a good idea to clarify a few of the allegations being made with the parties involved as it's apparent that one persons point of view can be very different from another persons reality.

As a participant in some of these tournaments I would like to say to those who are considering entering a tournament that the Vic Bream classics are a great event and I would recommend them as a great way to get into 'tourney fishing'.
I have seen none of the politics evident in this thread at any of the comps I have been involved in so don't let this thread put you off.

As a general rule the guys involved are friendly and the atmosphere is great.

Get involved;)

[spoonta66]

Thems are fightin' words Spoonta, let's go outside now and settle this;)

Hahaha, no offence, next time you are up my way I am happy to entertain the idea of a Yellowfin duel to the death..... or to the pub afterwards at least!

[Hyper Tackle]

Congratulations to all involved in this thread, including myself.

We've just grown the sport and tournament participation by -1

:o :(

Touché';)

This thread has got totally out of hand and a few people need to relax and take a deep breath, as an outsider this thread has done nothing but damage the reputation of the tournament scene and some of the people who are involved.

Despite it being interesting to read I suggest a PM or even a phone call would be a good idea to clarify a few of the allegations being made with the parties involved as it's apparent that one persons point of view can be very different from another persons reality.

As a participant in some of these tournaments I would like to say to those who are considering entering a tournament that the Vic Bream classics are a great event and I would recommend them as a great way to get into 'tourney fishing'.
I have seen none of the politics evident in this thread at any of the comps I have been involved in so don't let this thread put you off.

As a general rule the guys involved are friendly and the atmosphere is great.

Get involved;)

So wouldn't the newcomer to the Bream tournaments perhaps be put off if they fish a comp with perhaps their hero and high profile angler watch carefully what lures and techniques he uses all day only to have them get on the podium and say they used a lure that wasn't used?????

Lets not be in denial because newcomers are finding out this way, maybe something that tournament anglers need to consider???

Mark

[tupac]

Tupac, you would know wouldn't you?

The fact is that we fished Cranka throughout the series where they were suitable to the situation on the day and fished other brands where necessary throughout the series to achieve our winning results!

If you cant handle this fact, well thats your problem!

Cheers
Steersy

General consensus from anglers at the event indicates Cranka was not acknowledged amongst successful lures at presentations. The Cranka site states that the comp was won fishing with Cranka lures. This represents two very different statements.


If you cant handle this fact that is your problem.

[Emo]

So wouldn't the newcomer to the Bream tournaments perhaps be put off if they fish a comp with perhaps their hero and high profile angler watch carefully what lures and techniques he uses all day only to have them get on the podium and say they used a lure that wasn't used?????

Lets not be in denial because newcomers are finding out this way, maybe something that tournament anglers need to consider???

Mark

I can understand why some sponsored anglers use other companies products at times as I've heard some sponsors do not provide enough product to allow their sponsored anglers to use them exclusively.:D

[Hyper Tackle]

I can understand why some sponsored anglers use other companies products at times as I've heard some sponsors do not provide enough product to allow their sponsored anglers to use them exclusively.:D

What does that have to do with my statement????

Sounds like that's directed at me if it is who told you that? ask and you receive and promote well and you'll receive more pretty simple formula really:D:D

Mark

[Emo]

Sorry Mark, that was not directed at you.

[Hooked]

Mmmmmm now lm hearing it all...bahahahah.:rolleyes::D:D:D Oh and this is directed at no one in particular....babhahahah:D:D:D

[Track 'em down]

I can't believe that people have only now just realised that this goes on.

It is the same on every industry, the fact people are getting so worked up is amazing.

Anyway, just use what works and if people want to pay you for it then good luck to you.

[DrPopper]

The whole tornerment thing is welll ...fishy to me. In fact much of it reeks of conflict of interest and a system designed to make sure the competitors who win are sponsered anglers.

[brad mcdonald]

surely this horse has now been flogged to death.....

guess not...................:rolleyes:

[__MATT__]

The whole tornerment thing is welll ...fishy to me. In fact much of it reeks of conflict of interest and a system designed to make sure the competitors who win are sponsered anglers.

That's a pretty ballsy call

[stompy]

That's a pretty ballsy call

No ............ no, its consistent with most of the rubbish in this post.

Unfounded accusation after unfounded accusation. Some bloke finally cracks the big one, gives a full detailed account and still we go on and on and on. The worst offenders that won't let this go are the ones who provide the sponsorship.

I've seen less dribble on a 1 year old. The Chump who started this hasn't been sighted since:rolleyes:.

Cheers,