Bony Herring pictures

[yogi]

Hi guys,
I know this sounds weird but does anyone have any picture of bony herring cos I've not seen a live one before. In what way are they different from the normal herring? Thanks.

take a decka at this fella.

http://www.fishbase.org/thumbnails/gif/tn_Nevla_u0.gif

You can always searchh out stuff about fishes at http://www.fishbase.org (might wanna book mark that one!) ;)

Nematalosa vlaminghi
Western Australian gizzard shad

Family: Clupeidae (Herrings, shads, sardines, menhadens)

Order: Clupeiformes

Class: Actinopterygii (ray-finned fishes)

Max size: 36.0 cm SL (male/unsexed; Ref. 33617)

Environment: pelagic; brackish; marine

Climate: subtropical; 17°S - 29°S

Importance: fisheries: subsistence fisheries; bait: usually

Distribution: Indo-west Pacific: endemic to Western Australia.

Diagnosis: Dorsal spines (total): 0-0; Dorsal soft DohDohDohDoh (total): 16-17; Anal spines: 0-0; Anal soft rays: 22-24; Vertebrae : 45-49. Belly with 16 to 19 (usually 18) + 12 to 14 (usually 12), total 28 to 32 (usually 31) scutes. Anterior arm of pre-operculum with a fleshy triangular area above, not covered by third infra-orbital bone (see N. come). Lower jaw strongly flared outward. A small pectoral axillary scale present. Hind edge of scales toothed. A dark spot behind gill opening.

Biology: Abundant in estuaries; also found in coastal embayments. A filter-feeder. Eggs and larvae are pelagic (Ref. 33617). Used mainly for bait in the rock lobster fishery in Western Australia (Ref. 33617).

More links to research stuff on them at this link! (http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?genusname=Nematalosa&speciesname=vlaminghi)

Hope that helps, you could type in the species name into the search engine at Fisheries WA website also and see what local info you turn up.

Common names Bony Herring & Perth Herring.
Used to catch a lot in prawn nets in the Swan up round East st in maylands when i was a kid but that was a lot of years ago - havent seen any in the Blackwood & Donnelly but then I haven't looked for em either so it doesn't mean they aren't in other WA river systems I guess...

Hope this helps out - no doubt the WA Fisheires site will have some more detail..

WA Govt Fisheries Dept Site link HERE (http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/index.html)

Best a luck with it, just holler if I can be of any more help!

Cheers!

[yogi]

thanks mate... Great help!

to catch an ordinary herring in the lower reaches of the swan than a bony herring, as the normal herring will take lures if they move fast enough.

Also likely if you fish any of the rivers south, are the juvenile salmon (salmon trout), which are sometimes difficult to differentiate from the normal herring.

Easiest way to tell the salmon trout from normal herring - is if you rub your finger backwards along the lateral line scales of either - the normal herring is very rough, the eastern staters call them "tommy rough/tommy ruff" for that reason. The normal herring will have black tips to it's tail while the salmon trouts are more yellow, the salmon trout also having yelow spots along it's sides if you look.

It's important to know the difference between ordinary herring and salmon trout, because they are so close it's difficult to tell them apart unless side bye side. You wouldn't want to catch a nice feed of herring and arrive back at the ramp, to get busted bye a frisheries inspector for a bucket of undersize salmon 'trout' (Juvenile Salmon) which have a bigger minimum "legal" size!

It would be interesting to know what species of "herrings" have been collected dead bye the Swan River Trust during the fish kill, whether all 3 get into the Swan R.

I've caught sea herring as far up the blackwood as 40 miles (Warner Glen Bridge)....so they do go a long way upriver sometimes when the salt levels high enough.

Salmon have had a good spawning run up past Perth this year - One would expect some juveniles to be found in the Swan Maybe?

Of course the Bony herring will be there in numbers I would expect.

Cheers!

[Bear]

If you do a quick search of the forums, there are a few pics from Davo after he and Sewelly had a great session on the in the Swan.

[peter bear]

good posts trouty obversiously there isn't much timber work in S/W the way you word posts ,most people put about 30 words or so .
you seem to corner the market on facts and figures on most subjects on fish either you surf a lot or the education system where you went to school was exceptional ,which i went to a School like tHAT in QLD.

PETER BEAR.:D :D :) ;)

Your right - the timber works slow (in the middle of making the legs for a Marri Dining table - waiting for the customer to decide on the final legs "design"....arrrghh).

Lengthy posts?, yep - thats me - accidentally vaccinated at birth with a grammaphone needle and aint shut up much since! ;)

Thankfully - I type reasonaby fast (although not too accurately since I suffer phat phingers syndrome!), which means often I can post details from my head as they occurr to me - much like having a chat. Time spent in 'real time' internet chat rooms helps increase the typing speed.

Stuff like Yogi's reply are often a quick cut n paste, from a site where I might know to find the info he seeks - I try and be thorough...never know who else might read it and learn something worthwhile from it. Plus I'll add anectdotal evidence from stuff I've seen/witnessed myself.

Being "brief" sometimes is taken as being circumspect, or 'not really interested', on the internet - which can get you into as much trouble, as a case a verbal diahorrea, i.e. saying too much.

It's a no win whichever way you go.

I do like to "share" info I've learnt along lifes pathway, especially with young folks - they learn stuff so quick - and the way I figure it - the future of our planet rests with the kids of today - not with old pharts like me, my turns been and gone. If I was ging to make a difference in this world - I'd a already done it bye now.

I've had an "interesting life" and done a bit here n there in a lot of things, jack of many trades master of none.

I guess if my posting / writing style bugs folks they have the right to not click on em!:D

I didn't do so well at school, failed 4th year high (yr11?) Physics & Maths 11 & 111, had to repeat that year, with different subjects - which put paid to my all consuming desire to become a marine biologist...couldn't gain uni entry with my final scores...

About the only + of that failure - was - while I failed Chemisty - I married the cute blond chick I sat next to and some 27 years and 3 great kids later, it wasn't such an unfortunate stroke a luck despite my thinking at the time my world had ended.

Left School & worked 10 years for the railways in civil engineering administration. Man that was the dullest crappiest time a my life - I reckon I hated most every minute of it - BUT - unknowingly at the time, i learned a heck of a lot & it gave me the "experience" I needed to snag a job with the Department of C.A.L.M. for 8 years which turned out to be the "best" time a my life.

Learned heaps there too - and since then have been self unemployed!:p (err - lets just say - living life and enjoying it on the bones a my fat sorry butt!) ;)

Met lots a great people who unselfishly shared what they knew / had learned with me. I TRY hard to share that experience / knowledge today with others (especially the young) with similar interests (fishing/boating) via the meduim of the internet email bulletin boards etc.

Have done a little environmental and fisheires consulting along the way, written a few fishing magazine articles, fished with some wonderful talented anglers....

Built a small barra boat, & fair bit of solid timber furniture, some kitchens and joinery, bit of timber milling, kiln drying.

Was a wildlife Officer for CALM for a while as well as a forester and an administrator during my 8 years there.

Ran the Nannup trout comp for 5 years, my own charter / guiding business for 7 or 8 years, I suppose.

Oh yeah - started my own deer farm when I moved here to Nannup 15 years ago still have the farm and deer (for how much longer, who knows?).

In that time - the one consistent thing I've found - is that, the truly "great" folks I've been priveleged to know in various industries are those who share what they know unselfishly with anyone who genuinely wants to know.

In that time - I've trapped fauna for CALM research with Harry Butler, Fished with Starlo, Buschy, Peter Morse and Fisheries WA Former freshwater fish expert Doc Noel Morrissy, and have seen this same basic "trait" in all of them - they share themselves and their tremendous knowledge / experience unselfishly with anyone who has a genuine desire to know.

If that aspect of my participation here (wanting to help the young and share sometimes hard won knowledge) is a problem with the length of my posts - then, I'll happily cease & desist.

Cheers!

[Evileye]

bony herring dont have all the stripes and spots. :cool:

[yogi]

Hi guys,
was fishing this afternoon at the canning bridge at about 12 and met 2 fellow breamers.( bigfella and ar_hon ). I didn't get any breams but the others did get a few nice sized one. Finally got to see what a bony herring looked like when I jagged one up with a slider grub on a jig when trying to get the bream. Quite a big school out there eh...