Hard bodys in Vic (Melb)

[Sandworm]

has anyone had much luck in melbourne with Hard bodys? onthe bream.

I have slowly bought a few lures...
BR and JG Oar-gee
Breammaster stelth - Atack minnow
Chrome Gold orange back - Halco Sneaky



Will any of these also work on trout? i have a repala rainbow, and a celta spiner for these.

Will these work on any other fish?

[SWANK-E]

palaemon palaemon palaemon
scorpion scorpion scorpion

[Stuie_02]

Gotta Say

Scorpions 35 Sneaky and 52.
palemons

even rebel teeny wee crawfish does the job sometimes. but for me mainly on the 35 gold n orange scorpion

Cheers
Stuie

[steve duff]

try rapala shad raps in crawdad or scorpions,paleomons and lill rippers in gold/orange. remove the front trebles to make the lure's suspend, and be sure to look behind the lure for following fish.

[Sandworm]

been a while since i have been on, and even longer since i had a fish GRRRRR work!

With the front treble, do they suspend on the scorpions and lill rippers

secondly, having never really fished these much, do you give them a slow wind with pauses, or do you introduce twitches

or just try it all and find what works

Regards
I'll have to go and give them a fish soon, the bream seem to have gone quiet at the patto river

[jimi]

Sandworm, the sneaky scorpions suspend out of the box. If you take off the front treble, they will become floaters. You can play around with lead wire and bigger hooks to make them suspend again.

The 52 scorps are floaters and float like a balloon if you don't do something to them like add lead wire. Even without that, they still work very well though.

The lil rippers are slow risers, but will rise faster if you take off a treble.

Basically these lures are designed to have 2 hooks on them so if you take any off, expect to change the properties of the lure. The bigger the lure, the less it will be effected though, since the hooks are a smaller percentage of the lures total mass.

Water density will also affect the floating properties of the lure. After winter rains, if the river you are in becomes fresh, your lures may sink or suspend while in saltier water they will float.

Both suspending and floating lures catch fish, its just a matter of how you use them. If you are doing a slow twitchy retrieve, a suspending or slow rising lure is better since you don't want it to float to the surface during every pause. A very slow constant retrieve also works and you don't need to worry about suspending lures in that case, the bib keeps it down.


Cheers
James

[shoey]

i was fishing out of a kayak on the weekend under the docks in Melbourne. I was using a gold 52 scorpion and fist cast 3 absolute horses followed it up, but then nothing?

because you sit so low in the water, does this affect how deep you get the lure? also because of so much overhead structure short casts are the only option.

is there a deeper diving hard body around? i found the scorp was only getting to about 1.5m and i was fishing in up to 10m of water.

shoey.

[jimi]

The height of the rod tip will make the biggest difference to the lure swim depth. If you keep your rod tip low, the lure will swim as deep as it can. The actual depth achieved ultimately depends on the lure design however.

Also, a constant retrieve will keep the lure deeper than a stop start retreive.

I've found that the 52 scorps never dive as deep as the manufacturer claims. If you are looking for a deeper diving lure, try a river2sea static shed (65mm) if you can find any. They dive to 2+ m and seem to stay down there better than the scorps. They also come in great colour schemes and finishes.

Remember that the fish will not always be deep. In shadowy areas, they may be quite close to the surface.

James.

[shoey]

thanks Jimi. i'll give that river2sea a go.

the hard part though is getting a cast out while you are under a pier. the fish seem to spook really easily, so its a case of acuracy which is hard when it feels like your fishing in a walk-in wardrobe. i'm not complaining, its an awsome experience under the piers i just need to get the practice up.

[dantheman]

Try a decepyion minnow, these get down realy deap and seam to do very well, i dont know where you are fishing but , if you are fishing rockwalls around the yarra , , they are really good,

[steve duff]

sandworm,
with hardbodies in the docks as part of your original question i listed a series off reliable lures that will do the job.
but as part of your 2nd question the following can be found relevent, 1. by removing the front trebels you make the lure slowly rise and actually impart a short quiver motion as it does and encourageing mr bream to strike. if you see a fish following the lure, but just interested, then stop; and you'll find that in a number of times he will swim straight up and mouth the lure.
as far as strike rates go with removing the front treble you'll find it won't interfer at all, ive never caught a bream on the front treble anyway.
2. the retreive should be mixed, but the best retreive ive found is an exadurated soft plastic retreive, were you cast and using the rod tip drag the lure through the water about a metre and watch behind for dark shadows, if 1 appears stop and let the fish do its job. remember to always pause inbetween drags.
these methods i use suit me and have caught me many bream over the last twenty years. they also have caught many of my clients at sportswater fishing tours many and are quiet easy to acheive. but if you want to fish deep and catch many more then fish soft plastics, they are suited a lot more to the docklands environment,
cheers duffy

[Sandworm]

I fish patterson river, and fresh water with my hard bodys i'm yet to get a fish though (one lost trout is all i can claim)

the Soft Plastics are starting to work for me in the kayak in the bay but i am still better with bait. I will keep at it and hopfully i'll finally get a fish! on a hard body, then i'll try to get a bream!

thanks for your help guys

[SWANK-E]

again... ditch the bait and stick with the artificials if you want to convert. don't be tempted by bait

[panger]

I'm with SWANK-E, if you want to learn how to catch bream on lures you have to ditch the bait. The bait is a crutch that's stopping you from learning how to use the lure. After you lose the bait and start catching bream on lure you'll never look back.