wat to get. yammie,murc,tohatsu...... [Archive]

NathanJohns

27-07-2007, 06:17 AM

im geting a new boat soon and want to put a 40hp four stroke on it but still unsure on wat i want.
i need it fuel efficiant,reliable and powerfull.
i have been looking at the murcury bigfoot and yammie 4 strokes but am leading to the murc.
also i was thinking of a good 2 stroke like the tohatsu tldi or etec.
i herd those tohatsu are great but lack a bit of grunt

coastie

27-07-2007, 06:40 AM

Go the etec. Ihave a 60 hp etec and love it, no fumes, efficient, low maintenance low noise, 4 strokes are good, but more moving parts equals more cost ie.
timing belts etc.

Cheers Coastie:D

P.s there is such a great feeling buying new grunt.
happy shopping.

Simmsy

28-07-2007, 03:48 AM

I would definately go the Honda!!
I have had 3 over the past 4 years, a 20hp, 25hp and currently running with a 50hp. All have been perfect, they are light, quiet, very economical on fuel. I couldn't see any reason to look anywhere but Honda.

Definately worth looking at imo!

Simmsy..

crabcrusher

28-07-2007, 04:07 AM

Honda me up to .. We currently have a Honda 40 and defiantly cant complain. They do lack the get up and go of a two stroke , but for fuel efficiency, they are miles in front.

As Simmsy said, they are ultra quiet. Plus you will be doing the enviro a favour.
Cheers Nick

NathanJohns

28-07-2007, 05:22 AM

yer i was thinking a honda but do they have alot of grunt?
i am going in tournies so i need it to be sorta fast even if it is a 40.
but i go and wakeskate mith my mates so i needed the extra power.
i know the etec can do that but im only 16 and i need to save as much as i can.
mum and dad are putting money in and i will hav about 10,000 to spent early next year so its time to start looking.
i still need a leccy and sounder on a boat.
hopefully i can find 1 second hand to my liking

BoofHed

28-07-2007, 07:14 PM

i Just went through all that and the i bought a Marrinner, Merc 40 4 Stroker because thats was the only fuel injected motor at the time and it is a great motor and u forget it is still running as it is that quiet.
Bruce

Timmah

28-07-2007, 10:09 PM

Hey breamcrazy,

I would probably go a 2stroke. Few reasons one there lighter, cheaper to service, plenty of power and they are also cheaper than most four strokes.

Cheers
Tim

NathanJohns

29-07-2007, 02:55 AM

i have a 2 stroke now.
but a 4 stroke are more reliable, quiet , heps better on fuel which will be cheaper in the long run.
i would really like to get a boat/motor 2nd hand with all the hard work already done for me

Simmsy

29-07-2007, 06:49 AM

Don't go thinking that 4 strokes are just big heavy lunkers!!

have a look at the specs first!

Evinrude 40hp = 104kg dry weight, long shaft
http://www.brp.com/en/Products/Evinrude/Showroom/ProductSpecs.htm?productID=ETEC40

Honda 40hp = 93kg dry weight, long shaft
http://www.hondampe.com.au/wps/wcm/connect/hondampe/Home/Marine/Outboard+Range/Products/Mid+Range/BF40/Specifications/

Even the basic CV Yammies (40VWHTOL) are the same weight as the Honda but then don't have the same amount of CC, over 100cc less infact!
http://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/marine/index.htm?marine.asp

11kg's in small tubs is alot, just something for you to think about!

Simmsy.

NathanJohns

29-07-2007, 06:40 PM

nar i want a 4 stroke or a good 2 stroke like an etec but they cost a bit.
i now have to look at a honda as well now! they look pritty good.
i think most motors these days are pritty hard to go wrong by.

Rod

30-07-2007, 12:43 AM

I just love it when people start throwing weights, and figure around to prove there point:confused:

All Mercury 4 strokes are made by Yamaha...:) Don't forget to look into the Suzuki market also. They make some very good motors. Honestly the ETec market is also making BIG head roads so they shouldn't be left out of the economy/environmental argument.

Also Yamaha currently hold approx 40 % of Australia new motor market..Compared to that of Honda which sit on approx 8 %;)

Hows that for a statistic..

Simmsy

30-07-2007, 12:56 AM

Wasn't trying to prove anything Rod, Just putting up a few links to let the people go to three different brands, just trying to let people know that they need to look at all options and stop listening to the myths that are always put out there. Just like the ones a few months ago posted on here about etec being big smokers! It's just crap.
At the end of the day most people have their favourite outboards, I have had 3 Hondas and 1 Yammie and have been happy with all of them but for me the Honda is well and truly the best value for money.

These days I would say all of the top line outboard manufacturers are producing good quality products and for the "buyer to be it" is important that they look at all available options.

jmo.

Simmsy..

NathanJohns

30-07-2007, 07:40 PM

no i appreciate the links you put up simmsy.
yamies seem to have a bit of a corrosion problem oh well i still have 2 months untill the boat arrives so got plenty of time

Doc_Hollywood

30-07-2007, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Simmsy
At the end of the day most people have their favourite outboards, I have had 3 Hondas and 1 Yammie and have been happy with all of them but for me the Honda is well and truly the best value for money.

Simmsy..

I think that quote sort of sums it up simmsy, except i also have had the Hondas and loved them but now think my Yammie is the better value, and for a 2 stroke its way quiet (until you open it up :D ). And if you can believe some of the tech data the newer high pressure direct injection 2 stroke are getting as good if not better fuel economy than some of the 4 bangers now.
Technology and marketing is a wonderful tool.
But like you said its all about personal preference otherwise we would all drive the same boat with the same motor in the same colour towed by the same car, because you would only buy the best ...wouldnt you?.:confused:

Shane

30-07-2007, 08:37 PM

Too true Leon. But then if we where all in boats like yours how would DPI catch us all? ;)

In a low end motor I would go a 2 stroke for maximum grunt. I always liked the sound of the E-Tecs, no break in period and 1st service is at 300 hours. Plus the 40/50/60hp are all the same motor ;) 40-50 computer throtled 50-60 comp throtled + different exhaust system. So you could tell people you had a 40 but really have at 60 ;)

I have a Honda at the moment, only been out on it once for a test drive (stupid weather) but the new V-Tec models defintely give the 4 stroke a bit of grunt. Previous to this I had an old Johno 2st and that just kept on going.

NathanJohns

30-07-2007, 09:45 PM

i need a tiller.
but i cant go for a 2 stroke unless its a etec or tohatsu tldi.
its getting hard to pay for fuel when i go out 2x a week plus buying tackle.
i have a 20 and i go through 20litres a day or $24. in 2 days thats almost $50 plus alll the jigheads and lures you get snagged it can be up around $100 or more for 2 days session!
thats why i need something very fuel efficiant.
i know the guy who is supplies etec's to the marine shops but i have herd some bad reports about them along with some good 1's

Shane

30-07-2007, 10:13 PM

http://www.brp.com/en-AU/Products/Evinrude/Showroom/ProductSpecs.htm?productID=ETEC40

I know what you mean about saving money. After getting the boat and something to tow it wont be alot of money left in the kitty ;) From what I can tell newer 2 strokes arent as fuel hungry as motors in the past. But, correct me if I am wrong, a 4 stroke will cost you more I believe. In purchase and maintenace. I would just pick a price you are willing to spend and go from there ;) 4 stoke not as much grunt as 2, but more than likely better fuel ecconmy. But you dont have to mix the fuel, I hated doing that ;)

NathanJohns

30-07-2007, 10:30 PM

etec are nice but unfortunently they dont come in a tiler steer.
plus i need a for stroke with the rising fuel costs and all.
i would love to put $10 in the rig and have it last all day.
and i can go and use it in all the dams and go chase bass and barra up the cost next year.
a car to tow the boat isnt a problem as i get my dads ute when i get my P,s :)

2 stoke- noisy,chew alot of fuel,cant use it in the dams, dont last as long,not as reliable.

4 stroke- quite,fuel economy,good for the enviroment,reliable.

Doc_Hollywood

31-07-2007, 01:51 AM

When you are talking baby engines 50hp and below fuel economy shouldnt really be an issue, especially if its a new engine. With economies so close if you pay $1000 more for a 4 stroke thats around 800 litres of fuel extra you could have bought. And even if the 4 stroke was 25% (very rare now a days, more like 3 - 5 % if at all) more efficient thats the equivilant of putting 3200 litres through your 4 stroke to breakeven fuel wise of the 2 stroke. So at 1.25 per litre thats $4000 worth of fuel. So at $20 fuel every week of the year the breakeven point would be a little under 4 years.

BoofHed

31-07-2007, 02:13 AM

My fuel saving is unbelievable from a merc 25 two stroke to a fuel injected 40 mariner 4 stroker. what i used to get to a tanl i now get 4 times as much and power is unreal and i dont need it all. No mixing fuel or filling up an oil bottle, yea i now but if u can afford it get the best and it will help in resale and if u go out with ya mates and all the gear u need the grunt wich i find in the 4 stroker. Just my opinion and i go places where 2 strokes are not alowed.
Bruce

Rod

31-07-2007, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by breamincrazy
no i appreciate the links you put up simmsy.
yamies seem to have a bit of a corrosion problem oh well i still have 2 months untill the boat arrives so got plenty of time

Are you even serous with that comment??? Sorry you really need to get the facts right befor you make comments like that..

Have you thought about the extra sevice cost of a 4 stroke??

I'm all for 4 strokes don't get me wrong but i just can't stand the anti two stroke advertising:rolleyes: espeically when most of it is WRONG;)

One more point im curous of what dams or places your only allowed to use 4 stroke motors. IE 2 strokes are banned:confused:

ruski

31-07-2007, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by breamincrazy
etec are nice but unfortunently they dont come in a tiler steer.
plus i need a for stroke with the rising fuel costs and all.
i would love to put $10 in the rig and have it last all day.

Looks to me like they do come in a tiller steer... Look under "Steering:"

http://www.brp.com/en-AU/Products/Evinrude/Showroom/ProductSpecs.htm?productID=ETEC40

Depending on how much traveling you do, I'm not sure that you'll be able to put in $10 worth of fuel which will last you a days fishing. You want a faster/bigger motor, so you have to expect that it will go through more petrol. So i think you either have to accept the fact, or stick to a 15/25hp motor...

Originally posted by breamincrazy
2 stoke- noisy,chew alot of fuel,cant use it in the dams, dont last as long,not as reliable.

Don't last as long as what? Are you comparing them to something?

Most late model engines have come a long way and most are very reliable - if not even trouble free (yes I realise there are some horror stories with new engines)

And as Rod said, have you thought about the extra purchase price of a 4st compared to a 2 stroke? Or even the servicing costs associated? Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but i hear it's something like $650, every 6 months for a 4st service.

Cheers

Simmsy

31-07-2007, 10:40 PM

I certainly can't speak for all servicing of 4strokes but my 50Honda costs between $250-$320 every 100 hours which for me will be about 12months give or take.

Simmsy..

fats212

31-07-2007, 11:51 PM

A couple of people have mentioned that the fuel usage of new 2 strokes is pretty similar to that of 4 strokes, particularly in small engines. When these comments are made, are they made with only the new gen EFI 2 strokes, like etecs, TLDI's etc, or are those comments still valid for a new, old tech, engine?

I am assuming people are only talking about about the EFI 2 strokes, but I thought I would confirm.

I am only curious because I am looking in to getting a boat myself, and want to learn as much as I can.

Also, Rod, I have heard that there is a number of impoundments in NSW that have banned 2 strokes all together. I dont know the names of these impoundments, I dont even know if it is true. I probably heard it from someone trying to sell me a 4 stroke.

Cheers

NathanJohns

01-08-2007, 12:30 AM

yer are a number of dams in qld and nsw were you cant use a 2 stroke at all!
and because i love my bass fishin i would much prefere to have a 4 stroke.
i am not ''anti 2 strokes'' because i have had a few of them but 4 strokes are much nicer to have unless it is an efi 2 stroke which you still cannot use in some dams.

ruski- 4 strokes will last longer then 2 strokes and even though they cost more to buy i service them my self.
2 strokes will still last a long time as long as you take care of them.
a 2 stroke 50 costs between $200-$250 to service but 4 strokes are not that much more.
there really isnt much to survicing a motor and it is way over priced to get it done.
most peolple could do it themselves!
for a 100hr service all that has to be done is tuneing the carbies,change spark plugs,change gear oil,change gear box,compresion test and spark test

BoofHed

01-08-2007, 12:50 AM

Depuque island is one place i have come acroos Rod. Gret mangrove Jack, Queenies and big trevers and silver cobler. Thats an island out of Balla Balla Creek and the spelling isnt wright.
I Had a two stroker and i had no problems with it and i am not anty 2 stroke, i sold it to my nephew and he is still using it in his breem boat.
Bruce

Rod

01-08-2007, 04:57 AM

As i have said name one?? Thanks Boof head i'll do the research and let you know what i find out. Its posiibly more like all outboard (petrol pwered) motors are banned.

Any more names i keep hearing about all these places and so far only have one name.

I havn't mentioned consumption and i agree the 4 strokes use less fuel. As for long gevity well i have had two strokes do over 6000 hours with customers befor..... Have you ever compared the price of rebuilding a four stroke heaven forbid you should ever have any issues?? Compared to that of a 2 stroke.

Last point all motors are designed to be serviced at intervals. Just about every motor is every 6 months or 50 hours. The big thing here is to change lubs/oils. SO a 4 stroke needs to be serviced every 6 months or you will end up having problems in the long run. Oil companies make there oils to break down after certin peroids and if you don't stick to the suggested service intervals you'll be doing so at your own risk;)

Simmsy

01-08-2007, 05:09 AM

Servicing is like everything, do it when the manufacturer suggests (as with Honda it is every 100hours)and you generally won't have any issues, but alot of people will leave their donks sitting in a shed for 2-3months even years without even thinking about them and then wonder why they keep having issues with them. In saying that though my Dad has a Evinrude standard 2stroke that probably gets used 3 or 4 days a year but starts piece of p!ss each time he goes out in it. I think he has only serviced about 3 times in the last 5-6years??

BoofHed

01-08-2007, 08:05 AM

Rod I agree with everything you have to say but there are gains if u can aford a 4 stroke and i think Breamincrazy shoud have a choice
about now i give up, it has been debated for ever on this and other sights and i give up, if you cant give an opinion either one way or the other i give up
this is from a bloke that is 53 and has has had 2 stroks all his life .
i dont want an argument i just said if you can aford do the 4 stroker
You cant race a 2 stroker in england, urope and elsware shold i go further. ex road racer
a 500 german 2 stroker side care and gave em DohDohDohDoh at wanaroo and the australian round except 4 reliablety and we run a 500cc against 1200 quacker etc, then the suzukies com out sleved down wat chance did we have with all the tec goin into 4 strokers to make them go beter than 2 strokers and the 2 strokers being reduced in cc and the only place u can race a 2 strokert is mostly australia and that wont be long.
No boats in urope or road racers are alowed unless there 4 strokers.
Ive said enough and i love my motor and i love my old motor 2 stroke ticked up all i can say is if u read all the avalable info and make a decision as far as the ppl are concerned they have to make a decision to make them happy and there money avalable is a big factor, so i say do ya home work have a budget and get a motor that will suit ya.
Bruce
PS There is 3 "doovies"
running at the moment and there is no answer, e- tec 2 stroker or 4 stroker, When i was lookin 4 answers and to by a new motor i read it all and it came down to carberation or fule injectiion. If it was a car i would take fuel injection and a 4 stroker so thats what i settled 4 and i was luckey money wasnt a problem
Bruce