Any success on Pak Rats?

[TheJigJedi]

I've noticed that the Pak Rat has a very different swimming style to other bream lures. Its more of a very tight rocking movement. Has anyone had much luck on these lures. They look siik in the water to me, dunno bout the bream though. Haven't had a sniff on him yet. (orange tiger pattern.)

how bout ya'll?

[Herds]

Welcome Jig Jedi...don't you sleep - criky 2:10am :eek:

A few of the guy's are having a bit of luck on them...down in the Collie aparently. I myself haven't used them yet...need a couple hundred...make that a few thousand dollars in order to try all the lures I'd like!

How long have you be into this capper...

Herds

[Bream Master]

Whose let the Pak Rat thing out of the bag for the Collie River...Doh!!!

Warren.

[mark savage]

I've had some luck using the tiger in deeper areas where my fave HBs don't reach - mainly Douth.

[Bear]

Never seen them guys, who sells them??

[MATTY]

i think breammaster sells them

[Craig_S]

Bear, the Pak Rat is a Killalure.

[Bear]

Got them, gee I'm a sucker for more tackle.

[TheJigJedi]

They sell em at K-Mart as well, but only in the purple tiger and orange tiger patterns. Bream Master shop has a larger range of colours.

Anyone tried the new Avril Lavigne 'Skater' Shads?

The Jig Jedi.

[chris_lemess]

Nah they're crap... never caught a fish on 'em. They sure look the goods, but they seem to actually scare bream away.

[jimi]

I heard the Avril shad was just dressed up to look tough and cool, but underneath had the same shoddy construction as the Brittany Spears shad?

[TheJigJedi]

The C. Aguilera 'Dirty Grub' is a gun lure on it's day.

[Ol' slab sides]

As long as there wearin' those pants i'm in!!:D


Slab

[Vulcan]

Hi there guys, I gotta say youse blokes are sik. Readin a couple of those last posts I thought I'd give 1 of my brand new pak rats a go in the bath. Mine had that tite rockin movement too, but I had alittle too much steam up & literally got mine snagged so to speak!
OUCH!

Cheers Vulcan

[deception]

Pak Rat! Pak Rat! Did I hear? The words Pak Rats? Life is toooo short to use imitation rip off junk like them. Guys always go the "ORIGINAL" and "BEST" Deception Nipper. Not that second rate crap! Jeez "F@#%king Pak Rats" Not that I am still bitter about being ripped off. Cheers Paul.

[ChrisN]

Deception that explains why when i first saw the pak rat I thought it was out of the deception range. I thought damn they look the same (pak rat designs and deception designs)! do the pak rats look the same as the nippers? i haven't seen a nipper but the deception designs just stand out thats why i thought that maybe there was a connection between deception lures and killalures.

[budda]

Paul how are they a rip off - I've used Pak Rats and caught heaps of bream and some hefty bass on them. My mate and I have yet to catch a decent bass on Deceptions - to be honest they are overpriced and over rated and my other mates that do use them can never get any stock, not because they are selling hot anyway.
I have been using Whitmore shrimps with great success for years, before Deceptions even hit the market.

[geoff_abrams]

i agree with paul deceptions all the way:D mate i would put my money on them to catch more fish. i have both and have to say they deceptions win hands down . the action on the pak rat is a tight DohDohDohDohty not shimmy i like a wide sway like on the dec. nippers . and the colour range is ten times beater why would you use anything else?

[deception]

Budda.
How are they a rip off? Easy mate cause they are direct copy of my Nipper which I have been making for 10 years. If the Nipper wasn't a great lure mate it would have died an ugly death years ago and they wouldn't have ripped off my design! If you can't catch fish on Nippers? Well I can only take ya to the water friend, I can't make ya drink it! And as for using Whitmore Shrimps long before Deception hit the market? Wrong again! Check ya facts ol' Mate and you will find I infact made the Whitmore shrimp and used that name for several years. The Whitmore Shrimp was a scaled down version of my first lure the Yabby. And a collaberation between Ray Whitmore and myself. I simply named it after Ray for appreciation for his help ( If you have a dictionary look up the appreciation) Any more wonderous facts you have about Deception? Kindest regards Paul.

[Ravin]

Getting your designs ripped of must get right under your skin Paul & you sure have my sympathy. Is there anything that can be done legally to stop it? Unfortunately copies seem to be getting all too common these days. Don't buy em.

[deception]

Thanks Ravin.
No you really can't do a lot about them ripping off your designs. The thing these guys don't realise though is that "credability" is one of a lures best attributes and you can't buy it, you certainly can't steal it either, the only way is to earn it! People who steal other peoples designs always end up portrayed as jokes in the industry anyway. Regards Paul.

[budda]

Paul, no I have no need for a dictionary actually because I do have a a good handle of the english dictionary mate, but you can borrow mine if you like. Also I do catch my fair share of fish mate, unfortunately not on deceptions - see, by writing off a product on a forum that should encourage choice amongst consumers it makes me look like a right idiot doesn't it? So how did you feel about it?
Anyway, I think it's good for the consumer to have a choice, and the Pak Rat to some is priced less than the deception - no doubt it is of a lesser quality, but there are fishermen/women out there that also have a budget to work through and I feel that a fishing forum is an inappropriate place to swear and carry on and denounce other products with which it has been shown from previous posts from other bream master members, that the Pak Rat is a lure that they use and have success with. I am lucky enough to be able to afford whatever fishing tackle I like.
So I know you would like to look after you're own interests as I realise that many Aussie Lure makers are battlers trying to make a dollar and they'll never make millions from it, why don't you tell all the other posters that they are not to use any other lure except Deceptions because it is wrong to be able to use anything other than the original?
I guess Paul that in your home, you haven't got any copies/rip offs of other consumer goods say made in China? I guess everything you use is your household is an original design, and I guess that you would embrace the suggestion (from the manufacturer) who designed the original that you should not use a copy as the "ORIGINAL" is "the BEST"
Mate, the main reason for my original post was in retaliation to the way your post was worded and the swearing it involved, and I've got a response from you. Paul you can now spit out the Pak Rat (bait) I used to reel you in now mate. It was my first post on the Bream Master forum. If I had my name to the product I would not be publicly carrying on the way you have.
So Paul, good luck to you if you designed the first nipper shaped lure ever made on earth.

regards

Budda

[ChrisN]

now, now budda. wait a second. i can see your point but at the end of the day think about how you would feel if you made something and someone else copied it. especially if they are a bigger company that doesn't need ideas from others to make money. i think you can understand how paul does feel. at the end of the day the small guy gets screwed. as for the reason for the nippers being more expensive they are hand made from wood. killalures from my understanding have plastic molds that they use to make lures out of.

paul don't worry you will be always known as the creator of the nipper style lure. but remember that all lures that have been created have been copied. you aren't the only one who has been cheated.

i hope you can both understand each other now.

[deception]

Budda you have not got a clue! When someone steals your design it has little to do with just the shape of the lure or any product no matter what it is. What they actually steal is all the work you put into it, every give away, every peice of advertising, every sleepless night wondering what little changes might improve the product. They try to steal the market you have created, it has little to do with shape. If you think that is OK!. If making it into the market place cheaper works for you, well your the kind of guy these cheats prey on.

[TheJigJedi]

Bottom line is...I've never seena deception nipper in any tackle shops here (W.A.), and even K-mart sells pak rats....and when it comes down to it, 'Pak Rats' have a way cooler name than 'whitmore' or 'nipper'...lol.

P.S. Never caught anything on em yet though. But I personally think they're trebbles are the best original trebbles on a lure. No rust after 2 months of use. (on other lures)