Choice of 30 HP 2 stroke

[lukeyboy]

Gents,
Am in a position to repower my old Savage Gannet 4.2 m tinny. Currently have a 35hp Johnson (approx 1979 model)

Am thinking a new 30hp 2 stroke forward steer would push nicely and my thinking has been so far:

1) Suzuki 30 2 stroke - approx $3300 fitted
2) Tohatsu 30 2 stroke - approx $3500 fitted
3) Mercury 30 2 stroke - approx $4000 fitted

None of these havepower tilt and trim, but not really fussed with spending the extra to get that.

After some thoughts from owners/mechanics on the pros and cons.

ATM the Suzuki is a frontrunner because of the research and reviews I have found on the net. (and surprisingly is the cheapest!)

Any input would be appreciated

Cheers Luke

[NathanJohns]

go the tohatsu or murc.
but also check out the yammie 3cylinder.
heps of grunt

[cleetus]

Tohatsu makes the small 2 stroke Merc and Mariners don't they?

[squeek]

mate i would go the merc but i once had one and now have got a yamaha 30hp cv. very good had no problems so far.

[pike bream]

go for the yamaha they have the tilt n trim, the 3 cylinder mid range models are the smoothest in market and the 3 cylinder mid range models has more bottom end grunt for puting heavier loads in boat etc live well or more friends/people
cheers ben

[TheSaint]

Originally posted by lukeyboy
2) Tohatsu 30 2 stroke - approx $3500 fitted
3) Mercury 30 2 stroke - approx $4000 fitted



I just don't get how they can charge you a extra $500 for the same motor??

I'm in the same position at the moment & I think the 3cyl Yammie is a best motor in the 30hp class.. It is bigger in CC's by 67cc.. which isn't much but with it being a 3cyl you would notice it plus it's smoother & quieter.. I won't shake you arm off like the tohatsu/merc will. I own 30hp Merc lighting aka Tohatsu & can say it's a reliable motor but it is rough on idle & shakes like no tomorrow..

[Alex]

Go Yama 3 cylinder. We've got one but slightly bigger 40 hp. Great motor. Again, had an old suzy before, never had a problem. There are more Yammies than Suzukis in the country-easier to get spare parts, readily available.
Cheers,
Alex

[Gary Fooks]

I dont know how anyone can justify buying a 30hp 2 stroke - at least not after they know teh facts.

A 30hp 4 stroke will put out 200g of emissions per hour - about half a coffee cup.

The 30hp carby 2 strokes will put out about 4kg of Hydrocarbons and Nitrous compounds. Think of that as a 3 litre bottle of milk and a 1 litre besude it.

If you want the hards data I am hapy to supply - its from the USA EPA engine certification database.

Gary

[Emo]

I dont know how anyone can justify buying a 30hp 2 stroke - at least not after they know teh facts.

A 30hp 4 stroke will put out 200g of emissions per hour - about half a coffee cup.

The 30hp carby 2 strokes will put out about 4kg of Hydrocarbons and Nitrous compounds. Think of that as a 3 litre bottle of milk and a 1 litre besude it.

If you want the hards data I am hapy to supply - its from the USA EPA engine certification database.

Gary

How many grams of carbon does your computer power generate.

[Gary Fooks]

I use a notebook - which has about 1/4 teh carbon footprint of a PC

[bushido]

Gee "SAINT" Gary, maybe not everone likes 4 strokes :D I just love my 90hp 2 STROKE Tohatsu.

Cheers (Sinner) Samurai

[Gary Fooks]

Well, what would you think of me if I had a 6 litre pack of used oil and nitric acid, tied over the side of my boat - with a pin hole in the bottom just large enough so it took an hour to run out.

So then I drive to and around our fishing spots letting this oil/acid drip out as I go along.

Then what would you say to me?

'cause I reserve the right to say the same to someone who buys a 90hp 2 stroke - KNOWING the emission levels, because its the same effect as my leaking bottle. If you already bought one and didnt know - then I say no worries, because you didnt know.

The Greens are closing down fishing all over Australia - and its attitudes like I hear from some people that prove we dont deserve to be allowed access to marine environments.

Fools who leave their rubbish behind at camping areas or in the water will ruin it for all of us.

[bushido]

Well, Mr Fooks, I knew what I was buying when I got my motor. in this country it's my right to choose or pehaps you and your EGO friendly friends have perhaps forgotten that little detail.
You have your right to your opion, but that does not give you the right to try and ram it down everyone else throat when they don't go along with your choice.
Next thing you know Santa will not be aloud to say HO HO:D

Cheers Samurai

[Gary Fooks]

you didnt answer my question.


Is it ok for me to empty out 6 litres of oil/acid from a bottle tied overteh side?

[fats212]

Obvously its not ok for you to have your bottle over the side, but not everyone can afford a 4 stroke or a high tech 2 stroke. For a lot of us it is a good ole 2 stroke or nothing. I am sure some of us compensate for our dirty 2 strokes in other ways. Personally, I ride my bike to work everyday.

Now tell me this, how can you sleep at night knowing that the 4 stroke you own pumps 200g of crap into the water every hour. Surely you could get the oars out.

Each to their own mate. You make a good point, but in a bloody terrible way.

[bushido]

No I did not, you asked me what I would think of you, the problem is that I already know what I think of you and if I was to express it here it would be removed and I would in trouble again:D. So maybe it would be better to answer your question to your face another time and place.:)

Cheers Samurai

[bushido]

Getting back to you question, Lukeyboy, I would go for the Tohatsu 2 stroke.

Cheers Samurai

[Bear]

Well done Warren, couldn't have put it better. Lets keep it real guys and keep the personal attacks off.

Thanks,

[bushido]

Trying to be a good boy:D Bear, sooooooooo many bites on my poor tongue;)

Cheers (the new) Samurai:cool:

[Benrose]

Test drive a merc and a Yammy if you can and get back to us. My 30hp merc Two stroke is rough as guts noisy, Smokey as hell and id say it pumps out the Emissions by the cloud of smoke it has out the back at idle. The Yamahas woulkd have to be better i reacon but i havnt used one.

In saying that there's nothing like the sound of a 2-stroke at full Throttle is there:D

Gary: Why don't you buy a yacht to go breaming on, with no emissions it'll be a super green day on the water!

[Bream_flu]

mmmmmmm what a big powerful 2 stroke :D

[Emo]

I use a notebook - which has about 1/4 teh carbon footprint of a PC

You should get on the pc gamers sites and spread your wisdom.:D

[Gary Fooks]

I used to have hope that anglers would, in the main, use some common sense and mostly but low emission engines.

Thus we have the Australian star labelling system implemented 1 Jan 2007.

The argument that “I couldn’t afford an E-TEC / 4 stroke" is nonsense. What they are really saying is "I couldn’t afford the most powerful engine."

I got a new boat in March - it could have taken a 75hp but I could only afford 50hp 3star. If I had bought a 2 stroke carbie 75hp it would have stunk, used twice the fuel, got me there 2 minutes earlier and have lower resale value.

To those who think they have the right to use an engine that dumps about 20 times the emissions - you do not. Since the 18th century common law rights are that I cannot impose on your common property, for example I cannot make so much noise in my home that I disturb you. In the same way you don’t have the right to dump rubbish on the footpath, local park or the water.

Anyway - looks like we will have emissions regulations like the USA (Canada, Europe etc) by 2010, 2012 at the latest. Problem solved

[Gary Fooks]

PS - the Yamaha "big powerful 2 stroke" above is a HPDI - its a 2 star so its emissions arent too bad.

All E-TEC are 3 star. so you will still be able to buy some 2 strokes.

[Ricko]

I've got a Merc 30 2 stroke pushing our 4.3 Nomad. Gets to 25kts nicely.
Without the elec trim you have to work out where to position the motor initially for top end speed. Overall very happy with the motor.
But I'm sure there are other brands that will do the same job.

[pike bream]

Bream_flu mmmmmmm what a big powerful 2 stroke

hey brad, what about those boats with 4 big powerful 2 strokes on the back?
:D
cheers ben

[Bream_flu]

Bream_flu mmmmmmm what a big powerful 2 stroke

hey brad, what about those boats with 4 big powerful 2 strokes on the back?
:D
cheers ben

mmmmm what a emission making machine gotta love it

MMMMMMMMM I LOVE THE SMELL OF 2 STROKE

[Emo]

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MMMMMMMMM I LOVE THE SMELL OF 2 STROKE[/QUOTE]

It smells like....like........VICTORY.:p

[Noddy]

It smells like....like........VICTORY.:p


Nah, Victa. Not victory Emo.

[Acanthopagrus]

I think Mariner is put together in Japan?

Any extra money you put on a 30HP will be saved in Two stroke oil?
You gain more distance out of a tank?
The 4 stroke is much smoother at "low" speeds?
The weight difference is within a kilo?
Might be worth seeing if you can scrounge the money for a 4 stroke.

I agree trim and tilt are important factors when you get to the 30HP. Bream fishing takes you to many places where it really pays to have the ability to get the prop up when in shallow water etc etc.

Many bream fishermen have Leccies anyrate so they reduce emissions that way.

Enjoy your new 30 which I'm sure you will :)

[Charlie]

Gary I hear what you’re saying and almost agree but in the fifteen to thirty hp range a four stroke doesn’t make sense for most tinny owners, just too heavy and expensive.
The 3cly Yammy might be a great engine but don’t believe the oil injected tiller version is avail any more and until the govt legislates for mandatory variable oil injection I can still see a lot of dirty two strokes being out there.

[ruski]

MMMMMMMMM I LOVE THE SMELL OF 2 STROKE

Nothing better than the smell of 2 stroke in the morning... :D

[Acanthopagrus]

Gary I hear what you’re saying and almost agree but in the fifteen to thirty hp range a four stroke doesn’t make sense for most tinny owners, just too heavy and expensive.

I think you'll find in the lower outboard ranges the weight difference is not very much at all, 4kilos or 10lbs in this case

2 stroke 25hp: 105 lb (48 kg)
4 stroke 20hp: 114 lb (52 kg)

The new 2 strokes have improved on my old 30HP but if I can find the money for a 4 stroke it will be on the cards for the low end smoothness on the troll and the other stated benefits and a ride in some mates boats its won me over. :) Even 10 kilos isnt much probably the difference between some fishers weight.

2 Stroke oil is expensive. :) No more mixing. Put the left over fuel in your car before it goes off.

Sure its personal preference. If you need a split second hole shot difference then its for you. I like low end smooth running with as little noise as possible. :)

Bugger the enviroment, NASA havent stopped punching holes in the ozone without massive amounts of CO2 reductions. :)
Its political hypocrisy on many levels.

[Flattie_Hunter]

Hi i own a 30 3cylinder yammie, its great, low on fuel, quiet, and got has got lots of gunt, i highy recommmed them, there awsome