Going back to Fireline

[yellow door 1]

I've noticed alot of people have been trying out a lot of new lines.

Has anyone gone back to fireline after trying the others?

[eddystone]

YD,

I don't understand why people pay more for products that don't seem to work all that well :confused: :confused:

Fireline is cheaper than most and works!

I think people would be better off buying fireline and saving a few dollars so they can upgrade their reels if they are having issues ;) (not that you need to spend a LOT on a reel that works)

Pat

[yellow door 1]

I hear what you're saying Pat - have you tried any of the Fancier stuff thats going around?

[Bream_flu]

once u try bass hard by linesystems no way id ever go back to fireline in fact id rather use mono than fireline

[eddystone]

Na mate i haven't.

Fireline doesn't cause me any issues so i have no need to change.

One example of a mate using bass hard braid...... $70 a spool (he got it for free actually :cool: )

Didn't last a session :eek: :eek: :eek: Tangled and through loops :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Back to fireline :cool:

Pat

[eddystone]

Sorry bream..... Didn't see your post prior to me posting :o :o

Maybe he was just unlucky....... :rolleyes:

Pat

[Gaffer]

I tried Nitlon braid, and have one reel loaded up with 4lb with a 6lb spare spool waiting to go on the next reel that needs re-spooling.

The rest of my reels have fireline on them and to be honest... I like both. I only tried Nitlon coz I love their flurocarbon, not coz I was unhappy with the fireline.

It's much finer and limper than fireline, and it ties knots well. I haven't had any major tangle issues with it either at this stage, whereas you can be sure to get them with fireline at times.

However... I'll keep using fireline on some of my reels coz I'd rather have the odd knot to deal with and a kick arse lure collection than superior braid on all my reels and a lesser choice of what to actually throw at the fish. :p

That's just a choice I have to make based on finances. Naturally if I could afford the best of everything I would use it. ;) Maybe if I fished more tournaments I'd look more seriously at the alternatives.

Funny how we all see different qualities in different braids, and no matter which one you use will always find someone who will tell you it's no good, or that such and such is better.

At the end of the day it could be that different braids perform better on different reels, or that our individually favoured knot holds better with it, or just that it suits our style of fishing better.

I think that because I know what to expect from fireline I will continue to use it and never be disappointed, but if I shelled out the big dollars for something that was supposedly better and I found it wasn't, then I would definately be disappointed.

Sorry about that... I guess I strayed a bit :p

[ruski]

Originally posted by eddystone
Na mate i haven't.

Fireline doesn't cause me any issues so i have no need to change.

One example of a mate using bass hard braid...... $70 a spool (he got it for free actually :cool: )

Didn't last a session :eek: :eek: :eek: Tangled and through loops :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Back to fireline :cool:

Pat

x2 Pat

Haven't tried the bass hard stuff, or the daiwa braid.. it looks fancy and all, but im happy with XDS fireline and 3lb crystal! Casts really well and doesn't give us grief.

Cheers

[luke_H]

i would have agreed with the fireline lovers until recently, never had a problem with fireline and although i have tried the daiwa braid and like it i wasnt ready to totally convert because fireline was still doing its job with no problems.
lately however my fireline crystal has been playing up, have respooled a few times and every spool has the same problem of being stiff and not laying nicely on the spool, never had this with fireline or any line for that matter before.
its still fishable but me being picky with my gear i think i will be changing all my reels to a true braid;
cheers
luke

[breamN2wheels]

x3

i have gone back to fireline - started with it a few years back and used nearly every other braid since but for the price and casting distance ect i have gone back to it. :)

[spaniel]

ive tried basshard and all i get is tangles , and once the crystal came out fireline is now on all my reels.

[Squidgee_Man]

My opinion is Fireline was a good braid when its first hit the shelves, the whole braid thing was new and Fireline was the duck nutz as happens in life time goes by and things improve. Imo there are plenty of better braids on the market now and i will never use Fireline again. Im sticking with Finns and Technics Spectra. Ive also used Nitlon and Suffix and the Daiwa TD and the Rapala braid and although i personally didnt like it as much as finns and technics spectra they are still way better than Fireline. Some people like fireline its really a personal preferance thing i guess but imo braids have improved and there are far more better ones to chose from in the market atm. I reckon if most people tried all braids they would find something they like better than fireline. :)

[govmar]

I tried fins after reading a heap of good reports and to date I have had more wind nots than I can ever remember having with fireline, I run it on a 2000 certate so I dont think its a line lay issue but I will be respooling with fireline because it costs half the price and in my personal experience works twice as good.

Cheers Mark

[lightertheif]

I just switched to 6lb bass hard and love it, at this stage i dont think ill be using fireline again.

[crabcrusher]

Call me an idiot , but does anyone else believe its more to do with the type of retrieve one uses more than the type of line. Ive used Fireline since day one and had minimal problems. The only time i get unstuck is when i respool and the line has a bit of memory .
After a couple of sessions my fireline seems to be good as gold. I have no reason to change as i dont have a problem. And as fireline doesnt come in orange , i dont care . When did fishing become a fashion statement?
When we see Thorpee prancing down the catwalks of Milan with a roll of Basshard or a Team daiwa spool clipped to his Dolce Gabana leather chaps ill then be worried , but as it stands .If theres a problem fix it ,if there aint.....wht change.
Bling bling bling

[Brad Y]

Very good point and what about casting styles too?

Ive done alot of work on casting and have developed a technique that works well with recoil guides and the true braids. Its all a matter of keeping tension on the line and not rushing your casts and trying to get extra distance out of extra force.

Seen some terrible tangles with both so it just goes down to how you use it and what your comfortable with.

[pigscuttler]

Originally posted by crabcrusher
Call me an idiot , but does anyone else believe its more to do with the type of retrieve one uses more than the type of line. Ive used Fireline since day one and had minimal problems. The only time i get unstuck is when i respool and the line has a bit of memory .
After a couple of sessions my fireline seems to be good as gold. I have no reason to change as i dont have a problem. And as fireline doesnt come in orange , i dont care . When did fishing become a fashion statement?
When we see Thorpee prancing down the catwalks of Milan with a roll of Basshard or a Team daiwa spool clipped to his Dolce Gabana leather chaps ill then be worried , but as it stands .If theres a problem fix it ,if there aint.....wht change.
Bling bling bling

And Bingo was his name-o....It simply amazes me how such a basic and non glamorous form of fishing has turned into the most razzamataz, flash as Michael Jackson extravagansa to hit the water EVER in this country. Where it is costing people more cash to spool up to catch a Bream, than it does to spool for a Marlin.....?????.....Rods and reels to catch a 1kg fish cost the same, if not more in alot of cases than it does to set up for Big Game fishing....... The "goto" "must have" BREAM boats are comparative in cost to a 6mtr offshore boat....... Somewhere someone is absolutely laughing ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK.

Basically there is nothing wrong with this unfathomable spending to catch a little fish that has traditionally been a species for Kids to target, if the individual can and wants to afford it. I just find it rediculous when alot of the information/properganda floating around in mags and on the net is telling everyone, especially the young folks on Mum and Dad's budget, that it is imperrative that this $80 line is essential to catch this 900gram fish, or the $800 Rod will catch more 1.5 kg fish........Fair dinkum, it's just a bream.

Sure it's nice to have extra quality gear, but a 150 buck combo will still catch as many fish as a 1500 soopa snazzy rig.

[Bear]

WHO CARES.

Yes it may have to with retrieve, action etc, but if I choose to spend more money on Bass Hard, Stella reels or other things how is it hurting you. To some breamin has become as much a sport as hockey, cricket or any other and I don't see you jumping on their sites telling them they're wasting their money.

'Sure it's nice to have extra quality gear, but a 150 buck combo will still catch as many fish as a 1500 soopa snazzy rig.'

And that's what it's really about. If you don't want to read about it, don't jump on the sites or buy the mags, but don't come on here sounding off at those who do.

JMO.

[Squidgee_Man]

All good points but remember the better quality gear will outlast the cheaper stuff. To some people its more than just a hobby its a lifestyle. If you fish a lot its better to get better gear than if you just fish part time. Obviously budget comes into it as well. Some people like good looking snazzy gear such as the colour of line, like me. Its just like people having a passion with cars, furniture, sports gear, clothing ect ect ect. Colours, style what it looks like, is it cool?? people do think about this stuff and people will always have a superficial side to them. ;) :)

So if people wanna spend big on fishing gear thats their right, if they wanna budget then thats ok. In the end its all fishing and its fun no matter what gear your using!!:D :D

[Stu_000]

All the rhetoric aside there are better products on the market than fireline so I will never go back.

Use what you are comfortable with and/or what you can afford. I still use mono under certain circumstances and guess what it still works! ;)

[lure_muncher]

Each to their own, I like Fireline, but it is the only one I have used. I amalways willing to try and test new things, and next line on my list is FINS (when I get a new reel).

As mentioned some of us take breaming seriously and it has become a lifestyle, so if it is, what else are you going to spend your savings on?

Nothing wrong with Fireline, nor is there anything great about it. But I'll use what I can afford and what works for me. :)

Cheers,
Rohan

[bunga]

Bear,

I think you have missed the other point the "Scuttler" is trying to get across and just running with a bit of a negative resonse towards his reply.

As most guy's have said, and i agree... If you have the cash....splash! There is certainly nothing wrong with spending as much as you can afford on nice gear, but i think there are a lot of anglers out there that are either new to the sport or are limited in their budget as to what they can spend.

I have spoken to numerous guy's young and older that feel a bit like they are way behind the 8 ball because they can't afford the "Flash" gear.

As a moderator maybe you could start to get some sort of balance on the site to help make some of these guy's feel more involved and not alienated.

Who knows, you may even start to sell some of the lower end tackle through your online store!

Cheers Bunga!

[Bear]

Personally Bunga, I don't think I'm missing the point at all and this isn't the first time I've gone through this with Scuttler who seems to love bringin up the bling factor.

Human nature says people will by the best they can afford. I don't think that there is anything on the site that says you MUST have the best to get fish. There are plenty of threads that go through budget items in just about any area.

As for my comments, they are NOT made to sell products in the online store and I take great offence to anyone who says I do, not that you have.

However, point taken and I'll do my best to see a balance is given.

[metrofish]

my bream rod for the last couple of years has been a basic set up costing all of $120. including the mono line. i still buy the mag and visit the sites and hav'nt noticed any pressure to buy anything better . we all envy what we cant afford but it doesnt mean we should all go out and buy it , some people would think its good to have a goal if thats what you want . some people may decide to get serious about chasing little fish and be willing to pay more for their rods , bit like buying the best footy boots or hockey stick if thats your goal . ive just upgraded my gear because i like fishing for bream . it seams that with bream there is some finnesse involved that i would like to learn . big fish ? does it make you a bigger man . i go out and catch big fish . not much skill involved really is there .

[Heineken]

i loaded my little Abu bream reel with 4lb fireline and have found it excellent

Caught plenty of fish, floats on the surface really well, and havent had any dramas

This is the first taste of non-mono line for me and have found it great thus far!

Dont really see a need to spend more to 'try something new'

[splashy]

This is a topic that goes through most of our minds latey and I think there is an issues not mentioned yet: we learn with what we start with.
Most of us start with Fireline 'cause it is relatively cheap ($21 from Big W - even cheaper when on sale) and because there are lots of it about. It comes in a bunch of different colours so we can get the ones we like. So after a time using Fireline we decide we like it, but being ambitious, curious, whatever, we want to try something different. So we get get something different, but always compare it back to the benchmark - the Fireline - and we have learnt to cast the "Fireline-line" way and maybe the new line needs its own "way". Fireline is like your first love - always remembered fondly for the delightful thing she is that opened up a whole new world of possibilities!
I tried Fireline Crystal for a couple of months and dumped it 'cause I couldn't cast it a whole session without having a big mess. My fav at the mo is the Yellow Fireline, but I've got two reels loaded with 2lb and 4lb Superbraid to see how they feel. At first they felt really flossy and soft, especially the 2lb, but after a couple of months I've learnt how to cast the "superbraid way" and I'm starting to get really nice distance and accuracy and starting to like the softer flossier lines for how they feel and react and how they allow the lure to work it's own action more than the Fireline - at least that's the way it feels to me. Anyway, just MO
:D :p
...oh, and I like new equipment and shiny things. I think everyone should buy to their own budget and their own priorities.... and I can't wait till I finish saving up and get a sexy boat with a big motor that goes vrroooooooom :rolleyes: ha ha

[Mattie]

I've tried both fire line and 4lb finns. i enjoy finns better on my certate and fire line on my airity. it all comes down to personal choice

[Mim]

JP and I have both been using Bass Hard for over 12 months and the original line is still on our reels and still being used. We have never had to take it off and re-spool it from the other end, as we used to with fireline, after 3-4 months of use. We have found it does not go all furry like the fireline either.

It cost's more to purchase than Fireline, but outlasts it by over 8 months at least, as i said we still have the original braid on our reels.

One thing to remember with Bass hard and other true braids is that the breaking strain is its true breaking strain, which is not what you get with Fireline and other gel-spun lines. We tend to fish with 8lb Bass Hard and have very few problems with wind knots and when we do get them on the rare occassion, they are easier to get out than we experienced with Fireline. We also used the Squidgy Braid (now Rapala braid) and that worked well for us too.

Yes we are sponsored by River 2 Sea, but would not use the product if we did not believe in it. Sometimes spending an extra $20-30 can save you money in the long run on consumables, if it lasts longer and works well.

Cheers

Mim

[Acanthopagrus]

One thing to remember with Bass hard and other true braids is that the breaking strain is its true breaking strain

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm not sure about bass hard but when the original true Spectra braids were released they broke quite a bit above their breaking strain.
The reason was the breaking strain was inconsistent with the product so extra allowance was put in to many of the lines.

If a reel spool is over spooled there will be a higher tendency for loops to form.

Some of the better quality reels seem to be a little more resistant to wind knots.

Fireline is a coated line so its slightly stiffer until some of the coating frays.

Some non-coated braids will be thinner which means they have less tidal influence due to the drag.

However Fireline will be more resistant to the serrated edge abrasion than others due to its coating.

About the only braid which had close to the line class rating was a special batch of Platypus Super Braid done in bulk for one of the Barramundi comps up North.

Casting light lure with light line especially into the wind is always susceptible to wind knots. The same with mono. Some more than others though monos with higher memory seem to be the complete opposite of braid being more susceptible to wind knots.

About the only way to prevent wind knots is keep an eye on the spool and do a false cast occasionally and wind on the line between the fingers under pressure. If you in a boat under power let the line out and wind the line back on under pressure.

[Acanthopagrus]

JP and I have both been using Bass Hard for over 12 months and the original line is still on our reels and still being used.

Same same but with other brands.

When the original spectra braid was tested it was left on the roof of a tackle shop for a year and hadn't changed in structure or strength.

That maybe different with some of the newer lines?