Unite and make a difference.

[Dave Press]

Hi guys,
With all the fish kills, inland netting and fishing exculision zones that have been occuring of late, I have been trying to figure out ways of making a difference.

One thing I have thought of is to setup a paypal account, linked into an independant bank account (something with a good interest rate...lol) of which we can use for donations. Basically paypal allow the creating of Button links for donations, in which when clicked it goes straight to an electronic payment page, allowing direct debit and credit card payment.

This would give businesses the chance to deposit money from % sales donated or such schemes into an account of which other businesses may also be donating...clearly meaning a bigger difference could be made. The donation buttons can also be used for individual breamers/anglers who would like to make a donation.

The reason I bring this up is that if each tackle store has a donation feature, but none of them unite, the difference made is minimal. With a united account, which also alows individual donations electronically, the potential to make a difference is much greater.

As an example, the tournaments (ABT and WABT) donate money for re stocking and such causes. If the two united, along with as many businesses we can get together, all of a sudden there is a lot of money there to be used effectively.

Obviously there would need to be a board of directors or some setup with people in the know to make educated decisions as to the management of the money and which areas need financial assistance the most (whether that be a legal supporting of rec fishermen, restocking, waterways management...whatever).

Can anyone see where I'm going with this. At the moment there are a lot of people trying to make a difference financially, but IMO all these efforts need to be united in order to make a big difference.

I for one would be willing to but a Donation Button on my site, and I'm sure a lot of other sites would be willing.

Perhaps rather than starting something new, it may be viable to approach one of the existing organizations (restocking as an example) and let them know of the possibilities of PayPal donation buttons, and how can implement them into websites for them to recieve direct donations.

Anyways, my post is about 50 lines longer than it should be...lol
Just trying to think of ways we can make a difference.

Whats everyone elses opinions?

Dave

[Bear]

After looking into the Riverkeepers idea with Trouty, I think this is worth a go. I have a meeting via phone with the national group tomorrow. I'll post more as soon as I know where we can go with this.

[Pezza]

For those like me, who get pi**ed off every time a fish kill happens, it's time to get a bit more educated about these issues and contribute in some way.

Adam

[Bear]

Adam,
The beauty of the Riverkeeper system is that it is the public who run, organise and get things going. It's a chance to get everyone involved and bugger the govt. It's time we told them what WE want.

Just wondering if the River keeper system, would also look at not only problems with pollution but also the eradication of non native species such as Redfin Perch that have such a grave impact on our Marron stocks.

Rgd Mad Shad

[Bear]

The idea of the Riverkeepers is that they look at everything. It's not one person, but a co-op style environment where the group has a number of expertise including legal, environmental and so on. In theory, and if we can get the right people, it will work for everyone.

[leebo]

I reckon it is a great idea I mean nothing much is being done so atleast we can help our rivers. with all this funding the bream sizes and stocks are surely to pick up and if this gets a really big the government might recognise that us fishers are serious about the health of are water ways. It's a good idea guys I hope it comes together in the near future or in the future whenever as long as a good idea like this goes through.

[Bear]

Just an update.

Greg Hunt from Waterkeepers has sent through the paperwork with a little more info as well as what we are required to do.

I'll be talking to him more this week to see where to next.

I'll update more as soon as I know more.

Thanks,

[Dave Press]

ah great to hear.
Would you mind letting me know if anything arises. I'd really like to support any move in supporting anglers future. Gettin sick of loosing our rights to fish...whilst watching fish die needlessy on our foreshores.:(

[Bear]

Will do for sure Dave. We will ned to recruit skills in law, the environment and much more.

There will also be some fund raising required as we have talked about before, but I want this done properly and open.

[BIG PETE]

Originally posted by Dave Press
ah great to hear.
Would you mind letting me know if anything arises. I'd really like to support any move in supporting anglers future. Gettin sick of loosing our rights to fish...whilst watching fish die needlessy on our foreshores.:(
well said fella count me in

[Bear]

I will for sure guys, this is not a one person job.

It's a chance to get everyone involved and bugger the govt. It's time we told them what WE want.
Way to go Bear!;)
I think I've created a monster! :D
Mad Shad (in his own typically idiotic way) brings up a good point IMHO Bear!
Just wondering if the River keeper system, would also look at not only problems with pollution but also the eradication of non native species such as Redfin Perch that have such a grave impact on our Marron stocks.
Rgd Mad Shad (My bold empasis!).

Everyone has their own personal axe to grind Bear!
And often the results are division of our strength and infighting within the ranks etc!

Often such folks might be deliberate 'green plants' put there to cause such division, and hamper or thwart the creation of such organisations from the get go by creating such divisions!

How do we STOP the attemped divisions with angling ranks, that have plagued any attempt to unite anglers in the past?

I.e. Is Mad Shad, as his name suggests actually "mad enough" to think I'm going to contribute to any organisation in a fiscal sense as I've indicated I will, with someone with his personal 'anti angling agenda' (hidden under a natives conservation cloak) as a member - when my log on name is 'trouty' a non native species, and my whole life thus far was spent stocking trout?

Lets get real - if we are to let such zenophobes take over the organisation before it even gets off the ground, then we've lost the battle, because we will never unit anglers behind that agenda!

The guy might consider himself an angler because he fishes for bream!

BUT - unless he's a complete doult - he would know we have no west aussie native freshwater sportfish - so without some non natives stocking, we never will have a freshwater fishery in this state!

For 3 generations we've been stocking the freshwater and you guys yourselves have fished for trout in the Donnelly and had a good time doing it!

Now we have a peon arrive who thinks he has the environmental answers - because he's not a freshwater fisher, that involves destroying other anglers sport!

We need to protect the organisation Bear from people like the "Mad Shad's of this world" who are really part of the lunatic fringe and not mainstream anglers, if we wish to get mainstream anglers on board and behind us backing is with their skills and $!

One member like a Mad Shad and any thinking professional will NOT support the organisation, lest they get embarrassed publicly by such a zenophobe with is narrow single issue (eradicate all non natives) agenda !

Does it occurr to Mad Shad, that in terms of Australia and its native inhabitants - he himslef could do the whole country an ecological favour and board the very first saling ship in Fremantle bound for mother England? (I'll pay the fare long as it's one way!).

It will only take 1 "Mad Shad" to destroy everything we are trying to build here Bear!

We need to be very clear about who the traitors within our ranks are and take steps to isolate them from sabotaging the organisation as they are already indicating publicly they intend to, with their own private agenda's!

The very fact the rivers that have been stocked for 3 generations are the ones the likes of the Mad Shads believe we should "lock up and eradicate non natives from" is proof positive they have absolutely no idea about ecological balance between our marron stocks and introduced fish stocks!.

You know, we are losing freshwater habitat capable of supporting marron in the Blackwood at 3KN of riverbed per year to salt encroachment!!

We are facing the collapse of the entire river system, with Yarragadee pumping of groundwater and the salt drainage proposals from the wheatbelt!

And Mad shads "solution" is to "get rid of the non natives!".:rolleyes:

They have been co exisiting with the marron for almost 100 years now - the threat is salt, not non natives! :mad:

Unless you can isolate the lunatic fringe Bear - from taking over the organisation - I can't see any point supporting the effort with cash and I'm sure a lot of other fishing related businesses will feel similarly!!

The survival of the river is whats at stake - not some clueless kids idea of environmental utopia with bream but no trout or perch or anything else which will only side track the cause of riverkpeepers and divert our arttentons from where the REAL threats are! (Big Govt & Big Industry).

If Mad Shad keeps this crap up - I swear I will get one of the whacko green groups to propose bream be put on the threatened species list so no more fishing for them can be allowed! After all, with all these river kills etc - they are seriously under threat due to habitat degradation - shouldn't be ANY problem convincing the green to adopt such a policy position to protect the threatened bream - afteral the university had to "restock" the Blackwood to avoid a species collapse!!!! :mad:

Someone needs to keep this person on a leash Bear or there will be metaphoric cyber bloodshed soon!

Cheers!

[Bear]

Let's keep the personalities out of it Trouty.

I think the beauty of this system is that, by it's very nature, as it is controlled by the public it must at least attempt to do the right think by all.

I think keeping out of hot topic like stocking, to start with, is a very good idea. I'd prefer to see it work to clean up our waterways.

I would also see the group being able to look into think like stocking by request of public groups. Somewhat like committees, but we're geting ahead of ourselves.

One step at a time.

I think keeping out of hot topic like stocking, to start with, is a very good idea. I'd prefer to see it work to clean up our waterways

My thoughts exactly Bear - the biggest threat to our rivers at the moment comes from Big Business (read industry that pollutes, or uses, wastes and pollutes) as well as Big Govt (who want to pump & sell the groundwater and then use the river as an "industrial drain" for the Farming Industry!!). :mad:

Ask ourselves this question!

Don't salt mines make $?

Look at Shark Bay salt and Dampier salt mines! Multi Million $ companys generating shareholder profits!

Whats in salt?

Na cl Sodium Chloride!

Whats PVC pipe made of?

Poly Vinyle Chloride!

Whats the Chlorine (Chloride) in Salt used for?

Manufacturing PVC products!

We don't eat all the salt these companys produce on our friday night fish n chips folks! :rolleyes:

So - why should farmers drain their salt down the Blackwood to the sea?

Why shouldn't they store the salty water - use the sun to evaporate it, until they are left with salt and sell it on the world market?????

Doesn't that make more sense than killing a mighty river like the Blackwood???

Farmers are always claiming poverty, yet they want to throw good $ away for Salt that gets carried inland in the rainfall every year and ends up in the soil!.

Let em store their salty groundwater, in the big salt lakes out east of narrogin and Wagin (Lake Dumbleyung for example) and build ruddy great solar collectors panels to pump (or gravity feed the salty water through coz thats cheaper) and collect the salt to sell!

Hey the freshwater that they distill in the process they can use to water trees that need to be planted to lower the groundwater table and let the salt go bck below ground where its sposed to be!!!

The sales of salt could pay for the trees they need and their planting watering with the distilled water!

Free energy from the sun and or wind power to pump the water!

What is wrong with this world Bear?

We have bright people out there in academia!

Why do they get zeonphobic about non natives - half the bloody aminals in this country are non native and MOSTof them (ike sheep) built this bloody country!

Without non natives - these little pizzants wouldn't have a home and a education! They need to get a life or a job or something and grow up!

We need to get the hippie bloody teachers who feed them this crapola and use em for chum off the rotto trench somewhere!
:p :D

You just wait till I'm benevolent dictater - there'll be a few changes around here - Kingswoods for everyone!;) :D :cool:

Cheers!

Bear you mentioned setting up sub committees, I think this would have to be the way to go as people who were making financial contributions may not be happy if their direct concern, wether it be pollution restocking or their local waterway etc was not getting any attention.

Also I think that all of public that has any concern with these problems need to be included even the greenies and commercial fishermen.

Lots to ponder on, really hope we can all get it up and moving.

Rgd Mad Shad

[Bear]

One step at a time. The key really is not to spread ourselves too thin.

More soon.

[Wally]

Just wondering if the River keeper system, would also look at not only problems with pollution but also the eradication of non native species such as Redfin Perch that have such a grave impact on our Marron stocks.

Hahahaha what a joke coming from someone who doesn't believe in translocation,Well Mad Shad, ya may wish too find out where Marron were originally found, then read where they are now :D I think it is called translocation

Bear ya know how too contact me;)

Wally

[Bear]

Will do for sure Wally. I want to get something going in the next week or 2. This is going to take involvement from lots of people.

Thanks,

[brad mcdonald]

i'll get involved as well bear ..... well as much as pos...

[kamikazeghost]

oh dear, I've missed something important it seems.

If there is a proposal to ban inland netting, I certainly do agree.